video, or visual training aids

[lightninghands]

Greetings. i would love to see some video clips of these forms. just to see how they differ from other families of WC. any one have any links that show these forms, or even part of them.

just wondering.

[JamesHFYofAZ]

There are no video link at this time, as the best training aid is first hand experience!
Welcome, JamesHFY

[sihing]

Yes, I agree but not all video is meant to teach someone something. How about some demo footage of HFY in action to demonstrate how things are done the HFY way, I'd love to see some!

James

[lightninghands]

yeah thats what i meant. i would really enjoy seeing some demo clips of drills, or chisao, or forms any thing. i am very interested in HFY and just want to see a bit in action. i trust its great, but i would just like to see how it differs

[sihing]

Originally posted by lightninghands
yeah thats what i meant. i would really enjoy seeing some demo clips of drills, or chisao, or forms any thing. i am very interested in HFY and just want to see a bit in action. i trust its great, but i would just like to see how it differs

Pictures speak a thousand words, moving pictures speak ten thousand words. If words are used to describe things, like the purpose behind this forum, sharing information, then why not video?

James

[Cang Long]

As the case with all things Shaolin Hung Fa Yi being no different HFY is grounded in the idea of reality and taught Hou Chyun San Sau one-to-one. The illusion of pictures and or video on a public internet forum does not fit into this type of teaching and even worse might lead some to forgo the first hand experience required to comprehend Hung Fa Yi.

[sihing]

Originally posted by Cang Long
As the case with all things Shaolin Hung Fa Yi being no different HFY is grounded in the idea of reality and taught Hou Chyun San Sau one-to-one. The illusion of pictures and or video on a public internet forum does not fit into this type of teaching and even worse might lead some to forgo the first hand experience required to comprehend Hung Fa Yi.

I can understand your POV Tony, and many people take things the wrong way when truth is presented in what ever form, but if video and pictures are illusions then what about books (Shaolin Wing Chun) and the written form (this forum and other website revealing information on HYF)? One can construde anything out of the use of the written word but rather would have a harder time denying the facts when presented through the media of video. My point is just that lots of people out there today are very curious about HFY WC but may never get a chance to experience it unless they actually physically get with an instructor in the Art. IMO there is nothing wrong with a demo of what someone is doing or trying to explain, as this may in many instances answer many question that people have. I for one have many questions about HFY to which I believe may never be answered until I 1) visit a HFY school (which I hope will happen in the future) or 2) a video demo of HFY becomes available someday. Please don't take this the wrong way, as I have found my relationship with the HFY organization to be one full of honor and respect for one another and hope it continues this way in the future, but I do find it interesting that there is no footage (or very little footage) available of HFY in action. Either GM GEE has forbid it, or there is something else going on, otherwise why does Sifu Benny Meng (one of the arts primary promoters today) promote Yip Man WC through videos but not HFY?

James

[Cang Long]

James,
There are a lot of people out there curious about a lot of things they will never experience and that too is reality.
This forum is not here to train people in the use of Hung Fa Yi it is here as a means to bring communities together by the sharing of ideas. You sem to suggest that pictures or video demos are a more succinct way of accomplishing this goal. Interestingly enough to the contrary there are several threads on KFO online that are evidence against what you suggest. More to the point when you say...Either GM GEE has forbid it, or there is something else going on, otherwise why does Sifu Benny Meng (one of the arts primary promoters today) promote Yip Man WC through videos but not HFY? that thinking is just plain wrong how does the absence of commercial videos imply "something else" other than a true sense of respect for the system as opposed to an enslavement to monitary gain.

[mario bava]

Hello Everyone

Tony, you hit the nail on the head. In the modern era, in regard to martial arts, everyone wants to read books or watch videos or try to gain info through web communication. The only way to understand a system is through physical experience from a qualified instructor. There can be no debate about this truth. When 'things' are put on video, only a moving image can be seen. This image will not explain the detailed theories involved in the movement, it will not explain the philosophies behind the movement and the video in no way can compensate for a detailed explanation from a qualified Grandmaster. Some folk may have a genuine curiosity and that's natural - my own curiosity lead me to travel from Ireland to see the Hung Fa Yi system. But I never would have made any judgements on the system based on a moving image. This whole idea of things 'going on' because there is no Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun video tapes or whatever illustrates to me how hands-on experience is being diluted in the modern age. If someone is truly interested, why not go and see a class? Again, in reference to things 'going on', I would like to share an experience with the public that Grandmaster Gee has shared with me.
About 12 years ago, GM Gee was teaching on Mission Street. He was instructing a 10 year old boy who was the son of a very rich Chinese man named Professor Chen. Professor Chen owns a lot of real estate in San Francisco and the man identified with Hung Fa Yi so much, that he actually offered GM Gee $50,000 for to help with the running of the school AND Professor Chen also offered to assist Grandmaster Gee to make a complete video diary of the entire Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun system by offering to pay for the hiring of a professional group who would make these videos. Now, GM Gee immediately DECLINED the offer from this gentleman, while at the same time only accepting 3 Lion Heads for the school. The GM at first did not know why this man was so keen to help, but later on he recognised Professor Chen's genuine wish to assist the GM to maintain the Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun system. So, why did the Grandmaster refuse this easy cash? Because most video tapes about martial arts nowadays are made for two primary reasons - to make money or to become famous. Grandmaster Garrett Gee is not interested in either of these. He only wishes to honour his Sifu and continue the traditional method of Hou Chuen San Sau teaching, were only direct hands on experience allows an understanding of the system. GM Gee is neither interested in fame nor easy cash. I believe Tony was correct - Grandmaster Gee has a profound respect for his ancestors and his system, and he will not devalue either by producing video tapes that cannot possibly convey the depth of the system in the traditional Hou Chuen San Sau nature. Indeed, Grandmaster Gee has a simple outlook on the matter, if people want to learn, come and try it out. So, hopefully this clarifys exactly why there is no video evidence available. What do you's think?

Cheerio, Gary.

[Hungman]

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[sihing]

I can understand everything Tony and Gary has said regarding there POV towards HFY videos and such, and I respect that, as we have different opinions.

My Sifu has finally decided to reveal our WC in a series of DVD, with filming to begin soon. I believe this is a great thing, and not something wrong or bad, as this type of thinking is a judgment, and judgments are reflections of Ego. All through history, people have used whatever methods of communication avaliable to them to pass along knowledge to others during their time here on earth, and to others in the future, so just because we have more technology today to share things does not mean there is anything wrong with it. Also, regarding the reasons for doing such things, making money or fame, these types of thoughts are incomplete. Yes, it is nice to have money because without it you are truly not free to do what you need to do in this Western World, Money is a tool, and that is it. If you deny this then you are a hypocrite. Money is not the root of all evil, the "LOVE" of money is the root of all evil, and the fact of the matter is we need it today to live life, otherwise you are a slave to poverty and others whims and desires. Now fame is another thing, and the craving for it represents one thing, EGO gratification, and that is not the case when it comes to us producing DVD's of our WC. On a personal level I do want respect and recognition for my Sifu, but he does not desire this for himself. His WC teachings and guidance has changed my life and I will forever be indebt to him for that, and also I believe that the WC he teaches is one of the most complete representations of the WC system in the world today, no offense intended toward the HFY clan or any other Clan of WC, so therefore why not share it with the world and who ever wants to learn it. If it has helped me as much as it has then why not allow others the same opportunity. Of course they will not be able to fully understand and comprehend the entire system through a video tape, but this may inspire them to travel to Canada to learn, which is what is happening right now with the International Instructors program put into place by the HFY organization in San Fran. There's never anything wrong with sharing information with others, and as always there will be those out there that will attack whatever one does (the release of the Mastering Kung-Fu book was evidence of that), but when one knows the truth of such matters then the opinion of others that want to drag you down is meaningless.

I hope my posts regarding these matters has not offended anyone as I was truly just trying to find out why no such footage is not available to the public for strictly "Curiosity" purposes. If I have I apologize and will drop the subject regarding such manners. I respect the HFY organization and appreciate any decisions that make regarding there future and how they want to promote it.


James

[Savi]

Actually, there is footage of the HFY SNT form out there offered to the public. I believe it is on the 10th Anniversary Celebration of Kung Fu Magazine DVD from August 24th, 2002.

It's one of these two links from kungfumagazine.com's store:

http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvdca108.html

http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvdca107set.html

I think it is the second link.

[sihing]

Originally posted by Savi
Actually, there is footage of the HFY SNT form out there offered to the public. I believe it is on the 10th Anniversary Celebration of Kung Fu Magazine DVD from August 24th, 2002.

It's one of these two links from kungfumagazine.com's store:

http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvdca108.html

http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvdca107set.html

I think it is the second link.

Yes I've heard about this video, but isn't the SLT form shown the public version?

James