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Simpleton
08-26-2005, 02:06 PM
How close do you spar to the way you fight? Not varitey techniques (of course you don't do risking techniques) but method, power striker, combo striker, grab and bash, shoot and pound and ground....
I'm talking about method, offensive, counter offensive, defensive lots of foot work, very little, depends not any step and couch. Fakes fients or sucided blizts?
Except for selection of weapons and targeted area I fight almost the same, same passion, same speed, same power when padded and unpadded full contact. I just change the weapon used sometimes and the targer area. Now while jabbing to the eye I imagine it sometimes being a finger strike. Thign kicking I sometimes think it could been the knee.
Now like a sprinter I have other gears.
I do this in order to not be caught cold, I'm talking about sparring my peers not teaching sparring. I trully believe we fight the way we train. What say you?
Craig
08-26-2005, 06:32 PM
I think training to fight can be very different to fighting to train.
You need the skill sets in order to fight properly first, when you can do these under pressure then the next step is fighting. Whether this is non, semi or full it's a natural progression and not eveyone obviously is interested in taking it that far.
As for training " method, power striker, combo striker, grab and bash, shoot and pound and ground....
I'm talking about method, offensive, counter offensive, defensive lots of foot work, very little, depends not any step and couch. Fakes fients or sucided blizts"
I have trouble comprehending some of this but what I do does not sound like TWC. Method yes TWC has a method, power striker - I always strike with my utmost power - how much control I use depends on the situation. combo striker - I only hit where an opening presents itself - I don't randomly attack with boxing combos, chin na/ grabbing techniques are all in TWC.
I think most of your points are covered where I train but your terminology is a bit confusing.....I the end though as I said not everyone wants to do that kind of training
The way I spar IS the way I fight.
Simpleton
08-26-2005, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Craig
I think training to fight can be very different to fighting to train.
You need the skill sets in order to fight properly first, when you can do these under pressure then the next step is fighting. Whether this is non, semi or full it's a natural progression and not eveyone obviously is interested in taking it that far.
As for training " method, power striker, combo striker, grab and bash, shoot and pound and ground....
I'm talking about method, offensive, counter offensive, defensive lots of foot work, very little, depends not any step and couch. Fakes fients or sucided blizts"
I have trouble comprehending some of this but what I do does not sound like TWC. Method yes TWC has a method, power striker - I always strike with my utmost power - how much control I use depends on the situation. combo striker - I only hit where an opening presents itself - I don't randomly attack with boxing combos, chin na/ grabbing techniques are all in TWC.
I think most of your points are covered where I train but your terminology is a bit confusing.....I the end though as I said not everyone wants to do that kind of training
The way I spar IS the way I fight. I wonder when they created Wing Chun was it not used for fighting not exercise I feel Wing has lost its footing when it comes to why people train
Simpleton
08-27-2005, 09:41 AM
think Wing Chun is a good fighting system for close quater fighting. For example lets say you're in a closet and someone starts to mess with you. Wing Chun is the perfect system for this situation.
Is an ok style if you're not too interested in getting hit. The flipside is that if you don't learn to take a hit now and then, how will you perform if you do?
I think wc has some pretty good techniques; the hammer fists, spear fingers and palm techniques are power shots that could mess someone up in close. But if you can't land these while sparring, how will you land them on someone who doesn't conform to your position, stance and timing?
Some stylists will train and fight against anyone to get a real feel for what works and what doesn't. Its not uncommon for TKD guys to get into a MT gym and see how their kicks work and how they don't...or stand up guys to get into a weapons class to learn to fight with extensions in their hands.
Pardon my ramblings...
Simpleton
08-27-2005, 08:45 PM
to reply why most MA don't fight the way they practice comes down typically to a simple answer. Most people don't train above their adrenaline thresholds. Thus, they never experience how to react when under the extreme stress, and pressures present when in a real situation. That's why special forces and navy seals and so forth become so good at hand to hand combat. They train with the threshold overload arena. It is a scientific fact that when your heart rate reaches an extremly high rate your body undrer goes physical and phycological changes. Your normal (relaxed mind) typically will not remember how to react in an appropriate time frame. Posted frm Brian on kung fu forum
Simpleton
08-29-2005, 12:59 PM
How do you find your warrior spirit... the true you inside that determines what you will really do in a situation of danger ....not what you think you will do or tell yourself you will do...
how can you know how can you SAFELY TEST YOURSELF.
people often get in a fight or find they are in danger, they loose their hearing get tunnel vision, become numb maybe freeze. Most victums can't give a detailed description of an attacker How do you train to eliminate this to stay calm to become instinctive when thoughts are too slow, and if you train this way what have you done to verify how you will react
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