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Hungman
09-27-2005, 09:14 PM
Chan Wah Shun Vs Wong Fei Hung

Here is the true story about fight between the Wing Chun Grangmaster Chan Wah-Shun and the Hung Ga Grandmaster Wong Fei Hung.-- told by Chan Guo Ji (the grandson of Chan Wah Shun)

http://www.sc168.com/file/sdnews/sd...00411090028.htm



The translation...by Chris

"A (martial) challenge with Wong Fei Hung

Chan Guo Ji said, according to his family's records, Chan Wah-Shun and Wong Fei Hung once tested each other's martial skills, which is an interesting story. One day, Wong Fei Hung took two of his students to find Leung Jan for a (martial) match, and at the time the rules were to first test Bridge Hands. Leung Jan was somewhat small, and felt that it would be hard for him to wind at Bridge Hands. Moreover, Wong Fei Hung didn't know Leung Jan, so Leung Jan asked Chan Wah Shun to take his place at Pressing Bridges. Chan Wah Shun used his great strength (literally: 9 oxen and 2 tiger's strength) to push down Wong Fei Hung's Bridge. After that, it was time to test Hand Skills. Chan Wah Shun then used the connected palm Pair of Flying Butterflies to defeat Wong Fei Hung's LoHan 18 Palm style Barring the Door. As Chan Guo Ji told this story, he also demonstrated the Butterfly Palm technique, saying that by using this technique you can attack an opponenent at a distance. Three months later, Chan Wah Shun used his 6.5 Staff to defeat Wong Fei Hung's BaGua staff. Only after this (martial) encounter, did Wong Fei Hung discover that it was not Leung Jan after all...but Chan Wah Shun. And as a result of these two contests, Chan's fame grew. Chan Guo Ji said, "All of these stories are carefully documented. The previous generations not only challenged one another, but also elevated their spirit to a level that should inspire (today's students)."

SupYeeKiuSau
09-29-2005, 05:07 PM
Actually Hungman, below are Chris' thoughts on the article:

Hey all,

Just for the record...I'm just translating here. Dumbly taking the words from Chinese and porting them to English.

And since Pavel wasn't taking it too seriously, I let it go.

My own comments are pretty much exactly what has been noted above, with a double helping of this...

quote:
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Originally posted by daifong
Also, WFH was never known to train some kind of 18 Lo Han style, so how could his have been beaten?

I, for one would love to see some of that "careful documentation" they are going on about!

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Regards,
Chris

wengshunkuen
09-29-2005, 05:36 PM
Thank you Hungman for a magnificent story, no matter if it is true or not. I'm a sucker for these kind of tales(-;

But does anybody know who the current Grandmaster/clanleader is in Ng Chung So's lineage? It is obvious that, when Chan Wah Shun died, it was Ng who took over the school. But who came after him? And who is the leader of that particular branch/lineage today? I have been wondering about this question for some time without finding any answers. Thanks in advance.

Respect to all,

Hungman
09-29-2005, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by wengshunkuen
Thank you Hungman for a magnificent story, no matter if it is true or not. I'm a sucker for these kind of tales(-;

But does anybody know who the current Grandmaster/clanleader is in Ng Chung So's lineage? It is obvious that, when Chan Wah Shun died, it was Ng who took over the school. But who came after him? And who is the leader of that particular branch/lineage today? I have been wondering about this question for some time without finding any answers. Thanks in advance.

Respect to all,


Hi wengshunkuen
Here is his story -- "Chan Wah Shun Wing Chun Lineage"

1. Leung Jan > Chan Wah Shun > Chan Yui Min (son) > Chan Ga Lim (grandson) > Chan Gou Ji (great grand son)

2. Leung Jan > Chan Wah Shun > Ng Chung So (student) > Yip Man (student)




P.S. Now that we know a little more about Chan Wah Shun and the Hung Ga Grandmaster Wong Fei Hung. Can Master Benny Meng or anybody translate this story?

http://www.sc168.com/file/sdnews/sdnews/200411090028.htm

Cang Long
10-01-2005, 03:22 AM
Hungman,
Thank you for the links, not being able to translate Chinese to English I had to have it read for me so I won't attempt to translate the pages myself but it would be nice to get some more discussion from them if someone else would be kind enough to translate. I will say that it was interesting to hear Chan Gou Ji being from the Lueng Jan/Yip Man Lineage relate his understanding of Wing Chun's origins.

He specifically mentions that Shaolin monks were taught kung fu at the Fujian Monastery.

He mentions the year in which the temple was burned down as being 1795.

Chan Gou Ji also explains that Weng Chun was created in the Weng Chun Din of the Shaolin Temple and relates how the spelling was changed from Weng to Wing to hide it's identity from the Manchu and after the fall of the Qing Dynasty the term Weng Chun was re-introduced to the public. He too mentions that the Weng Chun Din was the only building to survive the burning of the temple. Just as importantly Chan Gou Ji names 3 surviving members of the destroyed temple as Chi Sim, Hei Hung Gun & Wong Sun who then later passed on a system based on weng chun at the red opera boats.

Naturally it is interesting to hear another source corroborate the findings of the Ving tsun Museum because previous to hearing this only Chi Sim and Hung Fa Yi Weng/Wing Chun were credited with making mention of the evidence that Weng/Wing Chun was created in the Weng Chun Din of Southern Shaolin.

Ving Tsun Museum findings (http://home.vtmuseum.org/articles/loewenhagen/step_forward_b.php)

Chan Gou Ji's story (http://www.sc168.com/file/sdnews/sdnews/200411090028.htm)

Op108wc
12-05-2005, 09:08 PM
There are 12 bridge hands in Hung Gar (sap yi kiu sau 十二橋手):

1. gong 剛
2. yau 柔
3. bik 逼
4. jik 直
5. fan 分
6. ding 定
7. chyun 寸
8. tai 提
9. lau 流
10. wan 運
11. jai 制
12. ding 訂

Cang Long
12-05-2005, 11:26 PM
Hello El,
That is very interesting and when looking it up this was found.

Hung Gar 12 bridge hands (http://www.hunggar.net/12bridge.htm)

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