Hendrik's T-shirt

[Hungman]

Originally posted by Hendrik aka Someone Said

When Jim meet me last year, he asked me if he need to learn my SLT. I told him I will try to help him so that he can turn his enginee on via some simple move, and when his engine is on, he can develop or invent different type of moves or even no moves at all to help others. The point is not about Wearing William Hung T-shirt to become a fan. But to empower and set others free.



Hendrik
Can you help to answer this question and set others free? If you couldn't turn on your own "enginee", and let "Some simple move" got your @ss on the ground, then how could you help Jim? Just curious!


"Wearing William Hung T-shirt to become a fan." Hendrik, how many times do you need to remind people that Jim is a big fan of you?

[Hungman]

Originally posted by Hendrik

You got it wrong.

Hendrik Said,

" Wing Chun's Tan sau is origin from the Water Shape Hand of White Crane Weng Chun of Fujian."


Hendrik backs up everything he says with "his words" and "Someone said" and "fans"




Originally posted by Hendrik

You are certainly open to proof him wrong and provide a Shape/Structural DNA similar to White Crane Weng Chun of Fujian, and a Power DNA of Emei 12 Zhuang to public.


Will be great to see your DNA solution.


Is this charecter "him" actaully Hendrik himself?



Originally posted by Hendrik

as Jim said,

Lets forget the story and look at the DNA .


Is Jim your DNA solution.? :confused:




Originally Posted by canglong

Not a wise move adopting this hendrikism since he uses himself as the source to prove Wing Chun's tan sau comes from emei but ask him to prove it and he can't he would be much better received if he just said his own family tan sau came from emei



Cang Long
Hendrik can Walkie-Talkie one million fans. Jim is the no.1 fan and he sets an example.

[Cang Long]

Hendrik can Walkie-Talkie one million fans. Jim is the no.1 fan and he sets an example. Jim,
Also believes SNT/CK/BJ turned into 40 points its no wonder he needed someone to show him how to turn it on. As for hendrik he must only like private showings because he really didn't like looking into the mirror over the internet. ;)

[Hungman]

Originally Posted by canglong
Keith,
You might want to save that statement for hendrik since he is the one going out on a limb with his Yik Kam theory.


Now you're just snipping. What happened to the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" attitude? And you haven't once tried to deny or explain the fact that Wing Chun bears a much stronger resemblance to White Crane and the Hakka systems than it does to any Shaolin art.

Keith




Keith,
There're many Nam Kuen systems bear "a much stronger resemblance" to Wing Chun than "White Crane" IMO.

For example:
Yau Kung Moon's Yin and Yang hands



http://www.yaukungmun.com.au/yin_and_yang_hands.htm

[mario bava]

Hello Everyone

cloudy is still floating in the shadows, disrespecting Wing Chun histories and lineages.

Keith, who may or may not be another fan of cloudy, talks about resemblence. I hope he has looked at the link provided by the Hungman - if he follows hendrik's crazy logic, then maybe Wing Chun is really coming from Yak Kung Mun! Is this the origin of Tan Da?

cloudy seems to have perpetrated a crafty ploy to trick people into believing that his system is the original Wing Chun. All this talk about systems looking similar has resulted in people like Keith seeming to accept that surface similarity is acceptable as proof of link or origin. Keith has stated that -

'Wing Chun bears a much stronger resemblance to White Crane and the Hakka systems than it does to any Shaolin art.' No-one can argue with Keith and his observation of surface similarity, but he needs to look deeper than the surface...

Wing Chun was created to counter ALL systems, including those at the temple. At that time, temple systems contained a lot of Chin Na and animal forms, so any new system created to counter those will of course appear different. Wing Chun bearing little resemblence to something it was designed to counter is of no surprise. But once again, people are dealing purely with surface similarities, or the lack of. Going on surface similarities, would Keith say I was wrong (or maybe right) if I suggested that Wing Chun really came from Yau Kung Mun? Would his answer be as shallow as 'well, it looks similar'!

cloudy is distorting things. He is sneakily using surface similarity to drum up support for his ego and claim that his lineage is indeed the original Wing Chun. This talk of DNA, YJKYM coming from Emie - Bagua uses this type of footwork as well, maybe Bagua is the origin of Wing Chun! Everyone on this forum respects his lineage 100%, but will not stand by when cloudy sneakily attacks the remaining Wing Chun lineages by indirectly suggesting they have got it all wrong. canglong allows everyone to express an opinion, but refuses to allow cloudy to spread falsehoods unchecked. I hope Keith can see this.

Some facts

The Chinese Government has stated that Fukien White Crane and Wing Chun are two distinct arts

Hung Fa Yi, Chi Shim, Chan Gou Ji, TWC, Pan Nam trace Wing Chun to the Shaolin Temple

WWB Wing Chun lineages - SLT CK BJ

Wing Chun Kuen - Weng Chun ( County ) White Crane = 2 distinct arts

Cheerio, Gary

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[Op108wc]

Originally posted by Jim R.

Sure! Maybe its just some simple art and maybe its not. The good thing is there are lots of places you can go to check it out or read about from numerous sources!


Jimbo, your purpose is to entertain yourself first and other people secondly. Is that a good thing to do?



Originally posted by Train

Sure there are lots of sources, but all of them talk about the same stuff. i like to listen to different lineages talk about their side of their history. I don't agree with all of them but hey it's their hisory! I don't go out my way and dog them just becuase it's different.


Hey Train, you can read Jimbo pretty good!



Originally posted by Jim R

BTW: Do you think that old master Leung Jan would leave his final legacy a group of village guys goofing around? Would that look good for him? If Leung Jan did not feel he taught them properly then why would he not say to them on his death bed: You guys should go train with the Futshan guys after I am gone! He didn't! Leung Jan approached Wong Wah Sam which is different IMO. He wanted to teach him! He trained daily with him for nearly 4 years.


Jimbo, Could you really speak for Leung Jan? Leung Jan said this....Leung Jan did that.... Wow! Every fool is fully convinced.

[Op108wc]

hey Hendrik, if Jim's in love, he's no judge of your beauty IMO.



Originally posted by Hendrik aka Someone Said

When Jim meet me last year, he asked me if he need to learn my SLT. I told him I will try to help him so that he can turn his enginee on via some simple move, and when his engine is on, he can develop or invent different type of moves or even no moves at all to help others. The point is not about Wearing William Hung T-shirt to become a fan. But to empower and set others free.

[Op108wc]

Can Hendrik explain his six directional force vectors? Well, it's hard to look up to Hendrik who keeps his ear to the ground.



Originally posted by kung fu fighter

Hendrik's six directional force vectors

Hi,
After reading some of Hendrik's posts about his mysterious 3 level models and his 6 directional force vectors, like others I became curious as to what he was talking about since he doesn't explain anything about the bio-mechanics involved. He gave the rest of us the impression that he had knoledge of some big wing chun secret which no one else knew since the time of the old time wing chun masters.
when in reality it was something so basic as silk reeling energy that I didn't even think about it as some kind of secret.

For those of you that's interested in understanding what the heck he was talking about, The so-called 6 directional force vector is nothing more than using silk reeling energy to deflect and strike in 6 directions(Lok Ging): Forward/Backward, Up/Down, Left/Right. This can be seen clearly in chen style tai chi forms!

What's funny about this is that I in my system we have 8 directional force vectors, two more than he does! HA HA HA!!!

[Cang Long]

After reading some of Hendrik's posts about his mysterious 3 level models and his 6 directional force vectors, like others I became curious as to what he was talking about since he doesn't explain anything about the bio-mechanics involved. He gave the rest of us the impression that he had knoledge of some big wing chun secret which no one else knew since the time of the old time wing chun masters. Lets see now, the 3 level model hendrik received enlightenment on comes from Chapter 3 pg. 54 of Mastering Kung Fu for the record you will not see any mention of his 3 level model on any post prior to the book's release Oct. 2003.

What's funny about this is that I in my system we have 8 directional force vectors, two more than he does! HA HA HA!!!
As for making 8 directions magically become 6 well maybe hendrik fights from the corner he has painted himself into 100% of the time or maybe he hasn't finished reading the book yet :D :rolleyes:

[dmilner321]

Hendrik's t-shirt selection:

10. "The Beatles Really Were Chan Buddhists"
9. "HS - Losing Credibility for Historians Everywhere"
8. "WCK History, Modern Physics, and You"
7. "Expanding Your CRANEium"
6. "Improving Your WCK With Barry Manilow Lyrics"
5. "Searching for Keng Geng"
4. "The Wanderer - :rol:"
3. "TIHH - thus I have heard - :confused:"
2. "Hendrik the Librarian"
and finally, the #1 selection:

1. "Got Clouds?"

[Hungman]

Hendrik!


Nice post!

We must look to people like WXZ (and others) for guidence on this road!

I especially like how there was no mention of Techniques or Strategy in that writing. Its geared toward Essence being cultivated progressively/naturally.


Peace
__________________
Jim




When Jim goes to Hendrik for advice, Hendrik finds out the kind of advice Jim wants, and Hendrik gives it to him.:boxing:

[Hungman]

Originally posted by Hendrik aka Someone Said

This is "gate" "angle" thinking, it is great tool. however, what is the significant behind that "gate" and "angle" before, at , and after contact --- or how is thing going to flow.......? angling is great, gating partition is great. bu the opponent is mobile. not only left, right, up, down, also close in and outward.... one can plan but is the outcome happen as one plan? and if not what happen?
This type of project the future via past thinking can induce fear and rigidness.

Look at those how got take down. It is because they dont know about angling or gating or thier mind/body cannot adapt to the situation.


Who is here talking about "Look at those how got take down. It is because they dont know about angling or gating or thier mind/body cannot adapt to the situation."? Hendrik, you lost your immortality when you lose your memory. Some eejit said' "that's not Wing Chun" when he was put on his backside by a Chi Shim practitioner. Does it ring a bell to you? And what did you learn from that lesson?

[mario bava]

Hello Hungman

How are you? Cloudy seems to have finally admitted that there is a difference between Wing Chun Kuen and Fukien 'Wing Chun County' White Crane. When speaking of his system, he says:

'this type of art doesnt use lines or points'

If cloudy doesn't use lines, where is his centre-line coming from? If cloudy does not use lines or points, where is the gate theory coming from? Wing Chun universally has the centre-line and gate theory, coming from points and lines.
Yes, cloudys lineage may do things the way they do, and 100% they should be allowed to, but he should keep in mind that he speaks for his lineage only when he says 'this type of art doesnt use lines or points'. He certainly doesn't speak for the majority of the Wing Chun world with his latest statement.

Cheerio, Gary

[Op108wc]

What did Hendrik say about Yip Man?


originally posted by hendrik

Yesterday, some one told me he had heard that...


In everyday life, attitudes of desire, hatred, jealousy and so forth, to which Hendrik is well accustomed, become manifest with only slight provocation; but those with which he has little famililiarity take considerable provocation, such as recourse to reasoning, to manifest himself.






Tony, I agree 100%


originally posted by hendrik

Yesterday, some one told me he had heard that...


this thread was doomed from the start with an opening statement such as this one.

Tony Jacobs

[Cang Long]

So true El try telling hendrik that you heard someone say that Wing Chun Kuen could never come from White Crane the footwork as proof is completely different and see how far you get.

Paculiar that most everyone discussing these topics seems to understand that Wing Chun History is one part written history, one part legend and one part insider information yet no one seems to want to accept anyone else families oral tradition until it suites them or helps support their position.....originally posted by Jim Roselando
I dont think its legally documented (just like 99% of WCK history isn't) in historical books but rather oral/family-ies tradition. Yet! The oral tradition seems to jive with the oral traditions of the other families from the same sources and outside sources. Well said Jim lets see your reaction when someone uses it against you and the chances are 99% sure that someone will call you on this ;)

Hungman said it best when he said if Rene Ritchie could get half his wishes come true he would double his troubles.

[Cang Long]

What did Hendrik say about Yip Man? He must be learning from Robert Chu. Robert's recently deleted post is just another example of his character and his desire for fame and fortune. His words for his former Sifu's and respected masters is well publisized and the fact that today many years after the publishing of Complete Wing Chun he is continuing this negative pattern and capaign against respected masters and families and shows just how little he has grown over time. His actions are even more damning, such as those of charging Master Meng $1000 a day for instruction in the Gua Lo 40 point system when it was necessary for him to read from his notes indicating he had no mastery of what he was charging for but more to the point he charged Master Meng when the information he asked for and recieved to write CWC was freely given obviously he nor hendrik have much respect for anyone outside their immediate kung fu families.

[JamesHFYofAZ]

'I my forget or you may forget, but the community will never forget!'
Karma affects us all regardless if we realize it or refuse to realize it. Ones own energy is effected by and affects ones surroundings, and with that mans dark cloud he has a world of storms a brew.

:eek:
laterz!