Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun

[ChangHFYWC]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any information on Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun, or Sifu Mak Poi On?



thank you,

[Cang Long]

Hello Chang,
I don't have any information for you at present but I will look and see what I can find. You might want to send firehawk a pm he is usually a very good source of information for things of this nature.

Welcome to the forum and best wishes to you.

[Op108wc]

Hello Firehawk

Do you know anything about this WC lineage?

http://shaolinkungfucenter.com/lineage.html

[Firehawk3]

I think that the first lineage of this Wing Chun known as Hokkien Eng Chun is Fujian Weng Chun from Hei Qi Hui who was supposed to be a student of Chi Sim the monk along with Fung Sai Yuk Sifu Wong Kiew Kitt said that Hei Qi Hui and Fung Sai Yuk learnd the Flower type boxing in the Weng Chun Tong and they have the same thing Eng Chun Tong or Yong Chun Thien . What is strange is this Hokkien Eng Chun has the Sam Chian Po form and seems to say something about Time, space, and energy no wasted movement , it is very interesting . The second Wing Chun that they practice come from Sifu Victor Leow who learned alot of different types of Wing Chun like Cho family Wing Chun and Yuen Kay San Wing Chun also Malaysian Wing Chun probably from Yip Kins lineage . Apparently from what i understand is that Sifu Victor Leow made his own Wing Chun from all his different Wing Chun that he learned . This lineage on this website is somewhat not acurate they have Yuen Kay San as a student of Leung Jan but Yuen Kay San was not a student of Leung Jan . They seem to list some mythical people like Ng Mui and Hei Qi Hui

[Firehawk3]

Here is more about Hokkien Eng Chun style at this link
http://www.coursejunction.com/course_detail.cfm/id/11946

[Firehawk3]

I found that the name of the Hokkien Eng Chun is called
Hok Kian Cap Pwee Lo Han Jiu Eng Chun Kun , this is there form of Fukien Wing Chun , .

[Op108wc]

Hello Firehawk
Thanks! There is no magic like FIREHAWK, I'm totally lost without you.


El

[Op108wc]

Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun Lineage

Day Dung Fung (founder) > Der Gwok-Leung & Der Gwok-Cheung (two brothers) > Lou Tat-Sung (aka Pao Fa-Lien) > Chu Chung


Chu Chung > Sons: Chu Win-Chi, Chu Weng-Cheun, Chu Weng-Chung, Chu Weng-Wah, Chu Chi-Ho


Chu Chung > Stundents: Ling Han-Wan, Ling Han-Jet, Lam Kam-Chiu, Lam Kam-Yoen, Lam Kam-Day, Lam Wan, Lam Ping, Chung Sun-Wah, Chung Man-Kong, Tseng Hing-Kong, Chu Sui-Sing, Wong Day-Gun, Pong Sui-Gun, Yu Sui-Ming, Leung Yip, Lau Gwok-San, Fok Ling and others....


But there's no Mak Poi On!?

[ChangHFYWC]

Thanks, Op108wc. I was doing some surfing on the web the other day and found quite a bit of information on Pao Fa Lien. But thank you for the added info it really helps.



xie xie,

[Cang Long]

For information on Grandmaster Mak Poi On Sifu Grago would probably be the best bet to contact.

http://www.midil.com/s1/selfdefense/plimshof/elite/grago.html


http://www.wwicba.com/CFPHOTOS.html

[ChangHFYWC]

Hi, Cang Long, and Op108. Thanks for the information. And best wishes with your training










take care,
Zach

[Cang Long]

Hello ChangHFYWC,
Making any progress?

[ChangHFYWC]

Hi, CangLong. Ive been researching various lineages. Its been going pretty good. Hows training going? And hows the weather?




take care,
zai jian

[Jonathan_AZ]

ChangHFYWC,

How are you?
If you don't mind me asking, where are you located in Michigan? Are you a student of HFY?
I am orignally from Mt. Clemens, and am going to be visiting for a week in febuary.
There is another member of the Phoenix Kwoon here (Mike) and in the instructors program as well that is going to be moving back to Michigan next month. He's going to be living in the Royal Oak area.

Jonathan

[ChangHFYWC]

Hi, Jonathan. Hows it going? Im doing pretty good. I live in Saginaw. Yes, I train in Hung Fa Yi. also there are two Hung Fa Yi practitioners in the Detroit and surrounding areas. and theres a Hung Fa Yi practitioner in Ann Arbor. Hows training going? Hopefully we can all meet and workout sometime that would be great! good luck with all the moving!!!



take care,
zai jian

[ChangHFYWC]

Hi, Jonathan sorry about the good luck with moving thing. I misread your post. But anyways tell your friend good luck with the moving.




take care

[JamesHFYofAZ]

Chin Woo Athletic Association of Hong Kong
Teacher: Fung Yoy-Gin
Lineage: Sum Nung > Kwok Wan-Ping > Fung Yoy-Gin
Schedule: Monday 6.45 - 8.30 p.m.
Location: Flat B - C, 13th Floor, Wah Fung Building, 300 Nathan Road, Kowloon
Tel: 23843238
Fax: 24851567
Notes: Also Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun (with teacher Leo Man) Saturday, 6.00 - 8.00 p.m., and private lessons for advanced learners of all styles available

The only Mak Po I know is from Yip Man. Moy Yat's Sihing.
Laters!

[ChangHFYWC]

Thanks alot for the info James. I appreciate it.
good luck with training.



take care,
zai jian

[Firehawk3]

http://www.itswa.co.uk/ancwc.htm
http://www.itswa.co.uk/main.htm

[Firehawk3]

http://www.wingchunkuen.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=97

[ChangHFYWC]

Thanks alot Firehawk.







take care,
zai jian

[Cang Long]

Sifu has trained in various styles and disciplines with such renowned teachers and authors:
Wushu - Yao Li, Boston, MA, a disciple of Grandmaster Chan Poi
Yang Tai Chi - Joshua Grant, Boston, MA, 2 time US Champion and 1992 Gold Medallist
Na - Yang Jwing Ming, Boston, MA, author, teacher, and philosopher
Pa Fa Lin Wing Chun - Mok Poi On, Hong Kong


Family members with possible first hand information on this topic,

http://home.vtmuseum.org/sifu/wayne_schulz/index.php

[JamesHFYofAZ]

So Pao Fa Lein System comes from Shaolin through the Secret Society by Dai Dong Fong in the 1800's, then he passes his knowledge to two brothers Tse Kwok Cheung and Tse Kwok Leung. They adopt a son Liu Da Sheng/Pao Fa, Chun Chung, to three sons one of which past it on to Leo Man
Location: Flat B - C, 13th Floor, Wah Fung Building, 300 Nathan Road, Kowloon
Tel: 23843238
Fax: 24851567
Notes: Also Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun (with teacher Leo Man) Saturday, 6.00 - 8.00 p.m., and private lessons for advanced learners of all styles available
Liu Da Shen claims to have taught Leung Jan the first four forms of Pao Fa Lein Wing Chun. Leung Bik learned from Leung Jan and then taught Yip Man.
Added notes: The statement 'modified vs traditional' comes to light. Oral history from Chi Sim take claim to GM Wai Yan, GM Chu Chung Man and GM Tang Yick exchanged a lot with GM Chan Wah Shun and GM Yip Man. Ji Sihn Sihm Si is also claimed to have shown Wong Wah Bo.
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Later, James

[Op108wc]

Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun

Have knowledge, or know those who do. Kudos to Master Benny Meng, James, Firehawk, Canglong and the others involved for their efforts.



Originally posted by Master Benny Meng

Welcome to the Pao Fa Lin Wing Chun Forum
Based on the VTM's research, Yim Wing Chun is only a legend and not a real person. If this is the case, why do so many Wing Chun lineages use the legend as history? When there is a need to maintain a low profile myth, legend, and rumor easily run rampant. The Five Elders in Wing Chun legend comes from the Secret Societies while the story of Yim Wing Chun was borrowed from Fukien White Crane. The phrase, “Yim Wing Chun” was a code phrase from the revolutionary societies, also referred to as secret societies. As a matter of fact, there are many lineages of Wing Chun that do not use Yim Wing Chun as the founder of the system. Those systems include Hung Fa Yi, Pan Nam, and Pao Fa Lin.

Pao Fa Lin and Hung Fa Yi share an interesting background because the recognizable Grand Masters of the past were secret society leaders. Daai Dung Fung is the earliest name in the Pao Fa Lin lineage. He was not an Opera member but was a contemporary of Hung Gun Biu, who was connected to the Hung Fa Yi lineage. Because of Pao Fa Lin’s historical background, most of the Sifu, Masters, and Grand Masters are not too well known in the public. Hopefully, through this forum, we can generate interest and help to preserve this lineage of Wing Chun.

[ChangHFYWC]

Thanks alot James, Cang Long and Op108 for the information. It would be nice to start a discussion on the various Wing Chun (Ving Tsun) concepts as well as the various intent of the systems themselves and to see how they are all interelated. This is a pretty awesome web forum.





take care,
zai jian

[Cang Long]

Liu Da Shen claims to have taught Leung Jan the first four forms of Pao Fa Lein Wing Chun. James,
That is really interesting. Do we know what Leung Jan has to say about this?

hello
ChangHFY, how are you, this is a fascinating topic and its getting even better as I learn more. How goes the trainging the weather here is unseasonably hot if you can believe that and the training is going well though thanks, how about you?

[Firehawk3]

There is a article and pictures of Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun in Leung Tings Roots and Branches of Wing Tsun book .

[Firehawk3]

Here is the sets taught to Sifu Kwok Kai who learned from Lau Dat Sang or Pao Fa Lien these sets are from Sifu Leung Tings book . The sets are Nim-Tau (the idea set) Nim-Tau Dai-Yee-Duen (the second part of the idea set ) Tut--sau(releasing hand set) Jark-sun-Kuen (the side leaning punch ) Chum-Kiu , Muy-Yan-Chong-Fat , Chi-Sau (clinging arms ) Shang-Dao (double broadsword techniques set) Shang-Kim (double sword techniques set) Luk-Dim-Boon-Kwun (six and a half point long pole ) .

[JamesHFYofAZ]

Tony,
The story goes, Yip man, being a young man, challenged an old man to spar and after getting tossed, “Leung Bik (YM's sibak gung) then explained how his father, Dr. Leung Jan, had withheld key elements of the Wing Chun system from Chan Wah Shun (YM's teacher). Chan had been over six feet tall, whereas Dr. Leung's two sons, Leung Chun and Leung Bik, only stood at about five feet. So in order to give his sons a slight technical edge, Dr. Leung did not teach Chan Wah Shun the proper interrupted footwork patterns. Further, he held back many techniques even from the three forms", this is just one aspect to all the related YM stories.
Firehawk3,
I personally wouldn't believe anything that came from Leung Tings group. There are stories upon stories of his claim’s, like naming himself as the successor to YM which incidentally, YM's own sons don't even claim, or that he’s transposed pictures… IMO He is a MAJOR business man. (Not saying that it never happened)

There is A LOT of confusion within the red boat chain due to Masters challenging Masters, others exchanging ideas, and some creating changes, in turn creating a wide variety within the WC community and as time lengthens so does lineages and stories of the history.

Stories my change but historical facts i.e. Timelines, historical events... stay the same.
Later, James

[ChangHFYWC]

Hi, Cang Long. Hows training? Everythings going pretty good here. As far as the weather its the exact opposite here its only about 8 degrees farenheit. I think its pretty amazing about the resemblances of each of the Wing Chun systems which would be obvious considering they share the same links. But what makes it even more amzing is all the variations and differences within the systems. Its interesting.


anyways take care,
zai jian

[JamesHFYofAZ]

Personal expressions-Differant styles-Differant methods of use.
Take bong sau, some use eagle wing some use crane wing but not many use both. Instead, people argue who's right and who's wrong, because that solves everything!:rolleyes:
Another major factor is footworks, some WC families have little foot work compared to others. Some say one should stay in yi ji kim yeung ma others ellect side stances, and some use cat stanced footwork.
My personal belief is that they can't connect the dots of WC! So ones takes what they get and uses it:boxing: .

[ChangHFYWC]

Hi, James I agree a 100 percent. There are alot of families that fight over who knows the correct Wing Chun. Whos Wing Chun is better than other etc... Really it shows how important the formulas are for guiding the practitioner. That way we dont stray to far from Wing Chun before its no longer can be called Wing Chun. Take care. Enjoy your warm weather.






see ya,
zai jian

[Cang Long]

Hello again ChangHFYWC,
Anything new to report, hope all is well with you and your weather is complimentary.

[ChangHFYWC]

Hey, Cang Long. Everything's great here. I just got back from a seminar with Meng Sigung on the Shaolin and Wing Chun connection. It was very informative as well as realistic. Overall it was a pretty good turnout, hopefully next year well have an even better crowd. There is also another seminar on the same subject in Kalamazoo next month. Which im going to try to make it to.
Anyways hows training and everything going? Its all going well here. Anyways ill let ya go.





take care,
zai jian

[Cang Long]

ChangHFYWC
Meng, Sigung workshops are always very informative and enjoyable experiences for every level of martial artist he really knows how to involve everyone no matter their particular level of experience. The last time he was here in Phoenix I had to work but looking forward to seeing him and the rest of the family in San Francisco next week. Keep up the training and enjoy your time at the seminars. If you ever make it out here to Phoenix look us up.

[ChangHFYWC]

Hey, Cang Long. Glad to hear everything's going great. Ill definately look you guys up when im in the area. Hopefully soon.
anyways take care.







xie xie,
zai jian

[ChangHFYWC]

Its been awhile since this forum has been active:

So I just wanted to update some more info I found on Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun.


Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun (Plum Blossom Wing Chun)

From Chu Chong
Forms:
1. 10 Solo hand forms
Siu Lim Tau, Chum Kiu, Biu Jee, To Shou, Tu shou,
Shih Tzu, Pien Chuan, Chien Chuan, Chien Chang, Tse Shen
2. Weapons: Double Broadsword, Staff, sword, Par, Big Broadsword, Whip
3. Wooden Dummy - 4 sets
4. Bamboo Dummy
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Thats the first section I'll try to add more info that I found and the links later.

take care,
Zach

[ChangHFYWC]

Heres a couple of articles from Rene's site.


From Leo Man: (teaches at the Hong Kong Chin Woo association)
http://www.wingchunkuen.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=133&mode=&order=0&thold=0


Northern Internal Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun by Leo Man
(Translated from Hong Kong Chin Woo)
My style of Wing Chun is an internal system which came from the north. During the revolutions against the Manchurians, a monk, nicknamed Dai Dong Fung (Great East Wind), while trying to escape arrest, came to the south. In the area of Qingyuan, Guangdong, he was made a guest by bothers named Tse Gok-Leung & Tse Gok-Jeung. Of the two brothers, one was a literary mandarin while the other was a military mandarin. Even though they were working for the Manchurians, but since they were of the Han tribe, and seeing how their kinsmen were being mistreated, they had a hope that one day the Manchurians would be over thrown by the Hans. After a period of time, when the monk observed that these two brothers were decent people and not corrupted mandarins, and that they also treated him with honor and respect, he taught them Wing Chun. He also disclosed that all disciples of Wing Chun are revolutionists. Since this had been discovered by the Manchurian Court, so in order to hide identity, they broke down the two characters "Wing Chun" into a secret three lined poem. That is: "Wing Yin Chi Ji" (Always speak with determination), "Mo Mong Hong Juk" (Don't forget the Han Nation), "Dai Day Wu Chun" (Spring will be back again).



The Tse Brothers adopted a son named Lao Dat-Sang and taught him Wing Chun from age 9. Later on Lao Dat-Sang moved to Foshan and worked as a treasurer at an establishment. He never openly taught martial arts, but little by little, his skills became known, and many people sought to be his disciples. He was very straight in choosing students, so he did not have too many disciples. When he was over 70 years of age, there was a young man named Chu Chong entered as his disciple because of Karma. He learned all the essences of Wing Chun from the meticulous instruction of Lao Dat-Sang. Later, Chu Chong along with his wife and kids moved to Sam Shui Po in Hong Kong where they opened an osteopathy clinic. Now it is many decades later, and Chu Chong is 101 years old. He still has great mobility and walks as if he is flying. However his son, Chu Wing-Ji, has taken over his medical practice. His kung-fu "brother", Kok Gai, who still lives in Foshan, was the last disciple of Lao Dat-Sang. He's over 80 years old and ceased to practice martial art for many years now.
Sigung Chu Chong spent many years in Hong Kong. Although he followed the way of Wing Chun, which is "only to pass down but don't teach the art", still he accepted many disciples. One of them is my deceased teacher Mok Pui-On. He first learned Weng (Always) Chun from Chu Chong-Man, a style passed down from Fung Siu-Ching. But later on he learned Wing (Praise) Chun from Sigung Chu Chong. From 1977 to 1978 I learned Wing Chun separately from Ho Kam-Ming and Yip Chun, which is the Wing Chun style passed down from Yip Man. [Hong Kong has Pao Fa Lin Wing Chun, Yip Man Wing Chun, Pin San (Side Body) Wing Chun, Yuen Kay-San Wing Chun; also known as Guangzhou Wing Chun, and Singapore and Malaysia also have the opera style of Wing Chun.] In 1979, I was fortunate enough to learn from my deceased teacher Mok Pui-On the Pao Fa Lin style of Wing Chun. In these 16 years, I also got a lot of tutors and instructions from my martial art "uncle" Chu Wing-Jee. Started in December of 1994, I began teaching openly for the first time my style at the Hong Kong Ching Wu athletic association. But since 1989, there were several occasions when foreigners had come from England and South Africa for the sole reason of studying the art.

Pao Fa Lien was so called because it was just the nickname of Lao Dat-Sun. When he was young he had a job to do Pao Fa (planing wood). These are plants which they boiled down the shavings to get the sap. This was used as a hair tonic in those days. The character Dat, when written in script form, looks a bit like the character Lien (Translator's note: this is a feminine name). Therefore, the people at the time always mockingly called him "Little Lien". After my deceased teacher had obtained permission from Sigung Chu Chong, he added this to the name of our style to distinguish it from other Wing Chun styles.

[ChangHFYWC]

Heres another article:

Special thanks to Rene Ritchie:


http://www.wingchunkuen.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=97&mode=&order=0&thold=0


Pao [Fa] Lien Wing Chun of Foshan by Mok Poi-On
The Wing Chun style that is very popular now is the branch taught by Sifu Yip Man. It was passed down from [Yuen Kay San] and is known as the Slant-Body Wing Chun. But most people are ignorant of the Wing Chun Style of of [Lao Dat Sang], who was very well known in Foshan County of China's Kwangtung Province by the nickname [Pao Fa Lien]

The author is very fortunate to have followed [Pao Fa Lien]'s disciple, Sifu Chu Chung, and therefor has a good understanding of this branch of the Wing Chun Style.

Before presenting the content of the Wing Chun Style passed down from Sifu [Pao Fa Lien], the author should like to make a vivid delineation of the branch.

A greater part of kung fu styles originated from the Shaolin Monastery in Sungshan Mountains. When the Ch'ing Dynasty (1644-1911 AD.) burned down the Shaolin Monastery because of the anti-Ch'ing inclination of the monks and secular disciples of the monastery, the kung fu exponents of the Shaolin Monastery went into hiding among the people and taught their pugilistic skills to people aspiring to topple the Ch'ing Dynasty.

The Wing Chun Style of [Pao Fa Lien] of Fo Shan County originated from a superior master of Shaolin Monastery who took refuge in Kiangsu Province. The monk took an assumed name "Big East Wind' to escape the notice of pur-suing soldiers of the Ch'ing Dynasty. Gradually, he became an intimate friend of a magistrate called [Tse Gwok-Leung] and his brother [Tse Gwok Cheung]. The [Tse] brothers admired the monk's pugilistic skills and in-vited him to live in their household and become their kung fu instructor. A few years afterwards, Monk Big East Wind took leave of the magistrate and traveled to the north. No one knew his where-abouts ever since.

After their teacher's departure for the north, the [Tse] brothers lost their ambitions in the career as officials. They re-signed and returned to their home Fo Shan County, where they adopted a baby boy, [Lao Dat-Sang], who was later to be known as [Pao Fa Lien].

When he was only nine years old, [Pao Fa Lien] began to train pugilism and staff-techniques under the guidance of [Tse Kwok-Leung] and [Tse Kwok-Cheung]. After ten years' hard work, [Pao Fa Lien] completed his training of martial arts.

What forms does Wing Chun comprise? My teacher, Chu Chung said: "In the category of pugilism are: The Little Idea; [Chum Kiu], or Seeking-Arm; [Biu Jee] or the Thrusting Fingers; [Dui Sao]; [Tut Sao]; [Sup Jee]; [Bien Kuen], or the Whipping Fist; [Jin Kuen] or the Arrow Fist; [Jin Jeung], or the Arrow Palm; [Juk San] or Sidling.

"Belonging to category of weapons used by Wing Chun are: [Mor Poon Do], or the Millstone Broadsword; [Siu Lung Gim], or the Book-bag Sword; [Yay Yan Bian], or the inverted-V shaped whip; [Ba]; [Tiu]; staff; etc.

"The forms for basic exercises are: The hard dummy, the soft dummy, the internal dummy and the external dummy."s

These each comprises 100+ odd movements and has a different method of training. Bigger sets of pugilism and broadsword handling techniques are also composed of over 100 movements, including movements of the arms and the legs. The foot-work is soft and agile like a pearl dropping into a tray of jade; and the body turns nimbly with the footwork.

The sets of pugilism boil down into: the set of the elementary level- The Little Idea: the Thrusting Fingers and the Seeking Arm that come next; the more indepth sets, namely,[Diu Sao, Tut Sao, Sup Jee, and Bien Kuen]; sets of the advanced level, namely, the Arrow Fist, Arrow Palm and Sidling.

The set of the elementary level has simpler movements, which are more often in straight lines than in curves. It attaches im-portance to [Tan Sao] or the Spreading Hand, [Bong Sao] or the upper arm manoeuvre, [Kao Sao] or loop-buckling hand which is a stylized form, slapping hand t'o or dragging, k'ou or buck-ling, t'o , t'un ch'iao, meng and kun shou fa or the rolling-hand method. On the other hand, methods of higher levels gradually depart from stylized forms. Though their hand movements do not deviate from Wing Chun, they give prominence to footwork.

The Little Idea Form as is passed down from [Pao Fa Lien] is very long. Striding begins at the middle of the form. The footwork employed is the [Cheung San Bo], or the Long-Robe Foot-work. [Cheung San Bo] is quite similar to the Sideways Stance of another style. While there are hsieh Pu and the footwork with the latter, the former is distinguished by the [Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma].

[Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma] can be divided ac-cording to whether it takes two and a half steps or three and a half steps.

At the start, [Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma] trains obverse standing stance to make the knees and hip joints strong, and is therefore suitable for defense. Only after starting to move does the form trains offense.

In order that martial arts enthusiasts have a deeper understanding of its merits and demerits, as well as its remarkable forms that have survived 200-odd years, we shall make a more in depth explanation of the Little Idea Form.

Following the middle straight thrusting punch, the second section of the Little Idea, is the Thrusting Fingers forms, which has the purpose of increasing the length of the hand. After the Thrusting Fingers, the hand is placed in the left in the form of the pressing palm. In consequence of the pressing palm, there is an opening in the right. Therefore, the pressing palm should press to the left with the back of the palm. The fact that only one hand and arm is used makes the density high and the switch from one form to another quick.

Wing Chun, which belongs to the Internal System, is predominantly intermediate between softness and hardness. The Little Idea also includes an exercise of the Internal Swinging Circle, as well as those of the slapping Hand and the Lifting Palm.

The Slapping Hand and the Lifting Palm seem to be identical in form and in appearance, but they are quite different in practical application.

The Slapping Hand slaps ahead past the front of the chest in an oblique line (with the finger-tips pointing upward). The Slapping Hand is the more powerful of the two. lt aims at slapping at an opponent's fist in a straight line and is in a sense an attacking maneuver. The Lifting Palm, on the other hand, is quite different. It is used, when two contestants are exchanging blows, to keep off the opponent's powerful elbow. Alternately, when the two persons are too close the Lifting Palm is used to force the opponent to retreat or is used to throw him back.

The Upper Arm Maneuver includes a broad range of forms and functions, including Single Upper Arm, Double Upper Arms, High Upper Arm, Low Upper Arm, Hurling Upper Arm, Rolling Upper Arm, Discharging Upper Arm, Dragging Upper Arm, and so on.


The Upper Arm Maneuvers used in the Little Idea are Single Upper Arm, Dragging Upper Arm and the Double Rolling Upper Arms. The purpose of the Upper Arm is to neutralize an opponent's violent force. Instead of meeting force with force, an exponent uses the position between the wrist and the elbow to deviate the force of the opponent.


Strike with a Soft Palm on a Squatting Stance is a distinguished maneuver. Both palms strike sideways while the knees are bent to squat down the body. This form is used to cope with an enemy who suddenly attacks from one side. Since the exponent does not know the enemy's location, he strikes backward laterally in the right and left with both palms.


The three dragging and three upper arm maneuvers are very important tactics of the Little Idea Form.

In the latter half of the set, the exponent begins to move about with the Long Robe Footwork while dealing folding palms in the left and right. If the enemy exerts very violent force, then the exponent will use the Two Rolling Hands while Whirling His Body.

When dealing the Rolling Hands, the body turns by 180.

The T-Stance is used in combination with the Hurling Hand, which is hurled upward at the opponent's elbow.

The force used has the effect of raising up the opponent's force and pulling and dragging backward. The left leg stands with the knee bent while the right foot is placed ahead oblique to form a "T" (with the toe tip upward). The purpose of this foot is to trip an opponent if he loses control of balance when rushing forward. In the brief introduction above we cannot enumerate all the tactics of the Little Idea. To do that, one needs to write a book of several tens of thousands of words. The millstone broadsword of Wing Chun has a fork at the tail. The blade is about 20 inches long. An exponent uses two such broadswords in pair. It is a short weapon.

Why is the weapon called the millstone broadsword and how is it brandished? The answer is that the footwork in handling this broadsword is very agile so that the weapon covers all directions. In one section of the set of the broadsword technique one spins quickly.

There are two hundred movements to the set of millstone broadsword technique. It last section comprises "Turn a Corner and Step Forward", "eight slashing with the broadsword" and finally "double chen tao". The footwork forms involved are the Long Robe Footwork, the Rear Circle Footwork, the Turning Footwork, the Tiptoe Stance, the Oblique Footwork, the Rear Discharging Footwork, etc.

Because of its shortness and thickness, the millstone broadsword is especially suit-able for slapping, as is distinguished from a longer waist broadsword, which is not handy in slapping. Another distinguishing feature of the mill-stone broadsword is that it has such maneuvers as circle striking upward jabbing, return thrusting, buckling, thrusting, chien ch'ieh tao, up-ward slapping, etc. On these we cannot elaborate because of the limitation of space and we shall have to wait for an opportune time to make an adequate presentation. The crux of the question is that there is much in common between the millstone broadsword technique and the pugilistic forms of Wing Chun.

There are things in common between the pugilistic forms of Wing Chun and the millstone broadsword technique, but there are also differences, since the broadsword is different from the hand at any rate. For example, the effective ranges are different.

Thus with the pugilistic forms of Wing Chun, there are the single grasping hand, bottom palm, choking hand, and dragging rolling hand, which also make use of the fingers and palms to seize and lock an opponent's arm. But such tactics are useless to an exponent armed with a pair of broad-swords. This is a difference between pugilism and broadsword technique.

We can also give an example to illustrate the things in common. With the hand movements, there are such tactics as countering buckling, slapping, drawing, pressing palm and the B-shaped fist.

In the broadsword technique, we also have such tactics as countering with a broadsword, buckling, slapping, drawing, Ch'u P'a Tao, etc.

Countering with a hand is to put an arm in the upper middle section to block and neutralize an opponent attacking in the front Countering with a broadsword has exactly the same purpose.

Buckling with the broadsword has the same purpose as buckling with the hand. Here the back of the blade is brought down in an oblique course.

Slapping and drawing with the broadsword have the same reasoning as the corresponding movements of the hand.

This set of millstone broadsword technique experienced several actual combats by [Pao Fa Lien] in a few dozen years. [Pao Fa Lien] tried skill with a famous exponent called [Pan] in Fo Shan County and killed the latter with the P'a Tiao tactic. It forced [Pao Fa Lien] to leave Fo Shan and exile abroad. Thirty years afterward, [Pao Fa Lien] returned to Fo Shan. He tried skill with the lieu-tenant of the county magistracy at the request of the latter, who was skilled in broadsword technique and admired the prestige of [Pao Fa Lien] for his use of the millstone broadswords.

[Pao Fa Lien] did not want to commit another mistake on top of his past mistake. And it would certainly be to his disadvantage to try broadsword technique with an officer. So he suggested that bamboo broadswords should be used in the trial of skill. But the lieutenant declined the suggestion on the ground that false broadswords would not be compatible with sincerity. And he insisted on the use of real broadswords to see who was the superior.

[Pao Fa Lien] thought that it was impossible to avoid injury with real broadswords. To get round the impasse. he finally came up with an idea, that is, to use one real broadsword and one bamboo broadsword.

In this way, he could avoid causing injury by blocking the opponent's attack with the real weapon and attacking with the bamboo broadsword. The lieutenant failed to score a hit after many rounds, when his clothes were reduced to tatters by the bamboo broadsword. The lieutenant left, heart and soul convinced by [Pao Fa Lien]'s surpassing skill.

[Marcelo-RJ]

Here you'll find a link to a Pao Fa Lien video on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiBMTLGfC3E

and here another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eMRNRyjuKo

Hope everyone enjoys.

[Brian25]

I know Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun has 10 empty hand forms does anyone know which forms are being played on these clips.

Have a wonderful day, Brian