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baihequan
01-12-2006, 08:50 PM
Flying Crane Posture - An Examination:
Humbly examining the stance in question: Please refer to the image found at:

http://home.austarnet.com.au/tsuruken/p16.htm

I openly and honestly concede that there are probably a few areas I could improve in. This is but one of the pursuits of those involved in the martial arts. After all, nobody's perfect are they?

There are some physical issues and problems ( a lower bad back which causes me grief from time to time to name but one) that forces me to compensate for but it is a work in progress .... again nobody's perfect and I'll be the first to admit it. But this is half the battle. To work, to strive forward is the constant aim nof ALL Martial artists.

Let’s look closely at the Feihe Jugong (Flying Crane Crossed-Leg Stance). An eminent foe for people in this so-called “Modern Society” is stress. Used as a Chi-Gung posture this stance can be used to relieve tension and stress. This is accomplished as the posture; held for a period of time, will relieve the heaviness in the chest region due to stress. As the excess energy travels away from the centre to the hands it is dispersed through the middle and the ring and small fingers as well (Try the posture in a relaxed manner to relieve stress in a fashion to Taiji’s Chi-Gung practices)

That said, let’s focus on how to use this same posture martially as well. This enigmatic posture transmit’s the Yin Fire Element into the hands to disperse into the adversary with devastating effects.

The twisted stance actually focuses the energy rising (Yin) to a stronger degree, transmitting this energy up from the Bubbling Well Point/Gushing Spring (“Yangquan” - K1) and out to the hands. The energy rises to the chest (CV-17, “Shanzong” - Penetrating Odor) and via the outstretched arms, is channeled out to the Laogong point (Labor’s Palace - PC-8) and the last three fingers of the hands (Try the posture for your own self investigation).

In a martial sense the striking hands would best be aimed at Fire or Metal related points. Again studying the posture we see the hands are positioned at head to neck levels and as such are the intended targets are mapped out in this dermatone. Sighting a few of these points for the sake of brevity, include the ST-5 (Daiyang - Big Welcome), ST-9 (Renying - Man’s Welcome), GB-4 (Hanyan - Satisfying Jaw) and GB-14 (Yangbai - Yang White).

Before you say “some of those art Earth points” … I must add that you are correct, yet these are also intersections of other energies and availability as well. The ST-5 is a crossing of the Large Intestine and Stomach Meridians and therefore takes on Metal characteristics as well. The downward hand maps out the angle and direction to affect with a this point with a strike downward and to the side, using Yin fire in the palm and palm-edge to intensify the strike.

ST-9 relates to the heart when accessed downward … Using the last three fingers (all of which a re Fire, Pericardium, Triple Warmer, Heart), we can see the energetic, angle of attack and weapon in posture. Pulling the opponent into the attack with the rear wing hand will take the opponent off balance as the rapid twist of the hips creates torque that has more strength than straight on pulling. This will also pull the one side out of play while simultaneously forwarding the attack.

An attack or penetrative strike to the “Man Welcome’s point (ST-9) as reflected within the Bronze Man Statue of the Bubishi is but one of the available strikes which this technique affords.

In addition an attack to GB-14 (Yangbai - Yang White) in the depression of the superciliary ridge will have devastating effects. This point is the intersection of the Stomach and Yang linking channels. A strike here can result on knockout or even death.

An aspect of the stance is within its Ground-Reaction-Force and Body-Energy-Meridian- Alignment. The stance is centred as the person twists to take up the position. One is also “grounded” by using the opponents body. What you have to remember is that we are talking about combat and not some outward exhibition designed to impress 10 year old Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle fans!.

This technique is high in the White Crane “Body-Change” and “Change-Body” Principles with the defender taking a step to the side thus taking the practitioner off-line from the opponents incoming force, limiting the reaction time of the opponent and allowing the practitioner to deliver a life-protection response in a devastating manner. The twisted stance is to be done as that strike is deployed on target feeding increased Yin energy into the selected target.

Twisted leg stances such as this not only consolidate energy transfer but may also be used to trap the opponents leg. When trapping the leg many points may be activated weakening the other corresponding points in the body. One such response would involve the Bladder and Stomach meridians on the lower body attacked to set up a palm strike to CV-12 (Zongwan - Middle Cavity) or CV-14 (Juque - Great Palace). According to the 5 Element theory of traditional Chinese medicine, the Earth controls the Water which in turn controls the Fire. CV-14 is not only a Yin Fire point but also the alarm point of the Heart. The hands held in posture at Chest level indicates the angle, direction and dermantone of the body that is targeted. This is a very serious attach at minimum able to cause arrhythmia of the heart resulting in a knockout or possible death.

This is but a few applications of this so called “posture” whose practicality lies not within its “performance” but its actual application.

William E
01-13-2006, 02:39 AM
Baihequan

Thank you taking to time to visit and post on our forum. I find the picture quite interesting and am looking for a body chart that has the points that you've so openly have pointed out. I have visiting your web site which has a ton of great information and is highly recommended.

This forum was created to bring like minded individuals together to share ideas and information. The White Crane forum specifically has had very little activity but hopefully this will change.

I would like to personally ask if you would volunteer to be a moderator of this forum. We can pm regarding the specifics which are never a problem here. Also, I will be willing to help spread the word about this place in some of the other forums. Your knowledge and understanding will be a great resource for everyone.

Now getting back to the pose. I'll have to give it a shot for the stress releif.

Thanks

William E.

baihequan
01-13-2006, 08:15 PM
William,

Thank you for your all too kind words.

Yes I would love to be the moderator of this section of the forum and hopefully I will do this forum the service it deserves.

Lets "PM" each other with the specifics.

And thanks once again!

By the way, what do you think of my posture for one old greying hair practitioner?

William E
01-16-2006, 11:58 PM
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I will make sure that your status is updated to moderator for this forum ASAP. We are looking forward to your contributions.

This forum is for all families to come together in a cooperative spirit in order to share and learn from one another. I really like your crane posture. (I'm am fond of those whose hair has and is turning gray.)

Let's see what we can do to attract more martial artists to this great forum.

I'll be sending you a PM. Thank you once again for offering your time, energy and expertise.

:)

Regards,

William E.

Cang Long
01-17-2006, 12:58 AM
Baihequan,
Hello there,
Welcome to the forum, sounds like a neat and interesting organization.Let’s look closely at the Feihe Jugong (Flying Crane Crossed-Leg Stance). An eminent foe for people in this so-called “Modern Society” is stress. Used as a Chi-Gung posture this stance can be used to relieve tension and stress. This is accomplished as the posture; held for a period of time, will relieve the heaviness in the chest region due to stress. As the excess energy travels away from the centre to the hands it is dispersed through the middle and the ring and small fingers as well (Try the posture in a relaxed manner to relieve stress in a fashion to Taiji’s Chi-Gung practices) This posture is somewhat familiar if not exactly the same. Is the weight on the front leg or maybe a higher stance and more equally distributed and how long do you suggest holding the posture and is the breating heavy or light while holding the posture. Can you tell I was practicing just now here at work :)


Welcome to the forum

baihequan
01-17-2006, 01:02 AM
William,

Thanks for your reply.

Great! I am very happy to be a moderator on this fine forum! I will do my best to encourgae others to these forums.

Thank for your kind words on my Crane posture (Grey hairs and all!) :)

baihequan
01-17-2006, 01:29 AM
Cang Long (Anthony),

Baihequan,
Hello there,
Welcome to the forum, sounds like a neat and interesting organization.

Thank you for the warm welcome to this wonderful forum! Yes, ours is a unique association amongst associations.

This posture is somewhat familiar if not exactly the same. Is the weight on the front leg or maybe a higher stance and more equally distributed and how long do you suggest holding the posture and is the breating heavy or light while holding the posture. Can you tell I was practicing just now here at work


Thanks you for your interest in my examination of this stance/posture.

As with all stances/postures it is transitional. However that being said the weight is equally distributed over the front and rear legs/feet. Energy is taken up through the Yongquan (Gushing Spring - K1) points. This is a Jing well point. It's general use is in tonifying the Yin, pacifying, fire calming the heart and mind and thus this posture is great for stress.

Start holding ythe posture for 5 minutes then gradually increase this up to 20 or 30 minutes. Concentrate on leading the chi to the palm (Laogong). Initially one's legs will shake a little and the arms will ache but this will be replaced by the sensation of relaxation and chi.

Keep me posted on your developments.

By the way, What do you think of my posture for a greying haired old man?


:)

Ten
01-18-2006, 02:57 AM
Hi all, just thought I'd pop in and say hi..!!

Baiheshihfu, Is a real great guy,..He is very knowledgable, and an open minded friend to all!!

I met him on the cyberkwoon fourm, and through the few posts and emails we've exchanged I have already learned alot of useful information..

For all those that post on cybrekwoon and emptyflower you know me already,..

Ron recommended this fourm to me,..so here I am,..:D
I hope to become a part of your group and disscussions...

:cool:

See ya later!

Ten

baihequan
01-18-2006, 06:37 PM
Hi Ten,

Welcome to this forum and thank you for the kind words. Lets work together to make this forum grow!

Ten
01-19-2006, 02:52 AM
hey sounds good to me.

I'll tell my friends about this place..
Maybe breath some life back into this fourm..

Peace

Ten

Cang Long
01-22-2006, 09:27 AM
hello baihequan,
As with all stances/postures it is transitional. However that being said the weight is equally distributed over the front and rear legs/feet. Energy is taken up through the Yongquan (Gushing Spring - K1) points. This is a Jing well point. It's general use is in tonifying the Yin, pacifying, fire calming the heart and mind and thus this posture is great for stress. It seems you can get a good feel and sense of the stress releiving qualities of the posture with the correct weight distribution. Often there is a twist in the waist with the crossing of the legs is this true in this case its not very clear in the picture you provided.By the way, What do you think of my posture for a greying haired old man? It might not be wise for a younger man with little experience to test your hands or structure. Looks and sounds good keep up the good work.

Cang Long
01-22-2006, 09:28 AM
Ten,

Hello and welcome nice to have you onboard look forward to more good conversation the more the merrier.

baihequan
01-22-2006, 10:46 PM
Cang Long,

Yes there is a twist of the hips in the posture so that the energy is within the Dan Tien.

Thanks for your kind comments on this old grey-haired seeker!

Cang Long
01-25-2006, 05:03 AM
baihequan
Yes there is a twist of the hips in the posture so that the energy is within the Dan Tien. Thank you for your answers.The twisted stance actually focuses the energy rising (Yin) to a stronger degree,... Can you give further detail on the focus and nature of this stance?

baihequan
01-25-2006, 07:07 PM
Cang Long (Tony) wrote:

Can you give further detail on the focus and nature of this stance?j

Well I'm not sure exactly what your after but here goes. Basically the stance is part of the overall Bowing in action of our approach to White Crane and has been chosen for same for both its martial as well as health related aspects. It is executed with little "snap" and in a fluid manner.

Basically, all your White Crane movement and steps are Shi Jin (storing), and when the opportunity occurs, it is released. Most White Crane moves start with soft and neutralizing, and end with a sudden circular move in the waist to generate energy, … this is at an advanced level and similar to energy as seen within Taiji. The release of energy or Fa-Jing (expression of energy) is generally is a very short explosion – felt in the rear leg - and transferred throughout the body, expressed in the hands. This short snapping power can have a tremendous impact on your opponents body. The moment that it penetrates your opponent’s body

The process of collecting and releasing, are used in many systems. Some schools/ systems place more emphasis on it. A health system doesn’t release energy, but keep it in the system … such as Taiji. A martial system does release the power in contact with your opponent. In an Internal system such as Taiji the chin is stored in the body. Taiji is all about Chan Si (Silk Reeling). In an external system once stored, the Jin has to be released first before another movement.

Jin is linked with Li or the body. There is a link between Internal power and external (muscular power) that is directed by the mind (Yi) and then generated in the body (Li). Shi Jin (storing energy) is Yin. Fa Jin (expressing energy) is Yang.

In White Crane we collect energy in the lower Tantien, we use the Cantonese term of “Chuk”. Different character then in Taiji, but the same aim. In the beginning we collect energy by movements as created by muscular activity. This is the beginners level During the intermediate and advanced level, the mind starts playing a more leading role. Then muscular tension plays less of a role and the energy becomes internal led more by the mind’s energy than by the body’s.

There are many ways to collect the Chi towards the lower Tantien. One example is tapping, or rubbing, bringing your palms towards the lower abdomen (Yiu Fok), closing your eyes only. The ritual bow (Feihe Jugong) is but one method of collecting the Chi. The fact that you practice this “opening” and “collecting” action (Shi Jin) over a long time, it becomes an automatic action.

In general, Jin is also linked with emotion and so with breathing. For instance; lets take “Anger” as an example. Anger can be divided in “Anger Yin” and “Anger Yang”. Yin Anger is the controlled anger, while Yang anger is violence or pure aggression. Intention is important in the manifestation of Jin as the mind (Yi) leads the body (Li) and can manifest this process into Jin.

Every Feeling have a different manifestation of power, and thus a direction of power, we can use in conflict. Crying and sadness has an inwards orientated power, while elation and happiness have an outwards/ spreading power. And so we can direct the energy by our emotional state.

Breathing works with tones. Sounds during inhalation (storing Chi - Shi Jin) and exhalation (releasing Chi – Fa Jin) all have influence on your storing and releasing of energy/power. Short explosive sounds, and long soft exhalations. Of course, each emotion/feeling is linked with a pattern of breathing. One example is Sha/ Sat or to kill.

Jin patterns also relate to certain movements. There are single hand (Dan Shou) and both hands (Shuan Shou) drills such as Chi Sao (Sticking Hands) and Tui Shou (Pushing Hands) In the vertical circle or motion, one senses forward, backward, upward, downward and combined Jin's. In the horizontal circle, one senses the leftward, rightward, forward, downward and combined Jin's. You try to feel and sense the opponent's Jin in movement, your own Jin and the interaction from adhering and moving together. One practices slowly, faster and then at random speed. These practices are used in both White Crane Taiji. The beginner starts out with big movements called it “Da Kai Da Ho Da Pi Da Qua”. (Big opening. Big enclosing. Big downward. Big low upward). However in White Crane the aim is for mid to small movements. White Crane has clear soft, hard, hidden soft and hard Jin. (Ming Rou, Ming Kong, An Rou and An Kong). Uprooting is from positioning and destroying the opponent's balance upward, downward, laterally left or right, forward and backward. In that sense, all Taiji moves are to uproot.

Ting Jin, is “listening energy” and is vitally important You have to use a small Jin to test the direction of a large Jin. You listen and understand the direction and level of the opponent's Jin via Ting Jin.

In White Crane forms (Taolu) such as HuBaBu/Babulian Kai Ho Jin is used. When both hands are separating and expanding in the opposing directions, it is called “Kai” (open and expanding). When both hands are moving close together, it is called “Ho” (close and contracting). In the case of White Cranes forms, Tsun Geng (inch power) plays a leading role.

Hope this is off some small amount of interest and help to you!

Cang Long
01-28-2006, 08:16 PM
Hello baihequan,

Thank you for the explaination the details are greatly apprciated let me read through it again before continuing with more of my questions.

Thanks

baihequan
01-28-2006, 08:42 PM
Cang Long,

No problems. Look forward to hearing from you.

Cang Long
02-04-2006, 04:07 AM
Hello baihequan,
Basically, all your White Crane movement and steps are Shi Jin (storing), Sounds like there is a principle in there somewhere how is it (what principle) White Crane produces all movement and steps so that they are Shi Jin? Sounds like circular motion plays a large part but there is possibly more to it than that.

Cang Long
05-07-2006, 04:15 PM
Hello baihequan,
Sounds like there is a principle in there somewhere how is it (what principle) White Crane produces all movement and steps so that they are Shi Jin? Sounds like circular motion plays a large part but there is possibly more to it than that.
I am still curious about the answer to this question.

Hope all is well with you and your training down under.

baihequan
05-07-2006, 09:18 PM
Cang Long wrote:

Hello baihequan,
Sounds like there is a principle in there somewhere how is it (what principle) White Crane produces all movement and steps so that they are Shi Jin? Sounds like circular motion plays a large part but there is possibly more to it than that.
I am still curious about the answer to this question.

Hope all is well with you and your training down under.

Hello Cang Long,

Thanks for writing.

Indeed circular motion plays a major role in the embodiment of essential energy within White Crane. Yet that being said, it is but one small aspect of White Crane.

Training "down under' is going great!

Cang Long
05-07-2006, 09:40 PM
baihequan
Nice to see you again.

We've all picked up the pace of our kiu sau training and are enjoying it tremendously up this way. Glad to hear that your training as going just as well.

baihequan
05-08-2006, 09:54 PM
Cang Long,

Hi and thanks for your post.

You may like to have a look at my post "White Crane: An Overview" parts one and two for more info on the White Crane art.

Training is going very well. Just started teaching my students the "He Mao" or "Crane Spear" form.

fistfullosteel
07-21-2006, 02:22 AM
Baihequan,

do you practice or instruct any other animal forms besides crane fist?

I have previously studdied a little crane fist this has been my main style but i am also interested in learning other animal forms.

I am located in Australia can you suggest any forms, styles to look into for other animal kungfu?

baihequan
07-21-2006, 11:21 PM
fistfullosteel,

Hi, Do I know you? Your from Broken Hill right?

To answer no, we concentrate on White Crane exclusively.

fistfullosteel
07-22-2006, 02:02 AM
Baihequan,

Yes you know me "Use the force Luke" was the last advice you left me with.

I have had the pleasure of staying with you for some training in crane fist and a trip to the japanese gardens a few years ago.

baihequan
07-22-2006, 10:16 PM
Hi Luke,

I will send you a email soon! Welcome to the forum!

ChangHFYWC
11-28-2006, 06:52 PM
Baihequan,

Welcome to the forum, best of luck!

and thanks for all the info.




take care,
zach

baihequan
12-06-2006, 07:16 PM
Zach,

Thanks very much for your kind words.

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