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sihing
03-19-2006, 10:52 AM
Recently I made a decision to experience something different from what I had personally trained in before. That decision was to train with Sifu Gary Lam and his students in Monterey Park, California for approximately 9 days. The reasons why I made this decision are not really important, let’s just say it was something that I had to do for me.

If I were to choose only one word to describe my experiences at Sifu Lam’s training facility it would be either Awesome or Phenomenal. First and foremost, the people that I had an opportunity to train with were very very open with the information, and were more than willing to share that information with a complete stranger to their family such as I. Secondly, they were very effective in what they were doing with their Wing Chun. Sifu Lam is definitely someone with extremely high skills in Wing Chun. Not only does he have those skills, he is also an experienced and effective fighter with a great desire to share his knowledge with anyone willing to listen. His style can look “lazy” at times, but this is because he lives and breaths the system and no longer has to worry about those little details the rest of us dwell on. He is a very personable and relaxed instructor. The training at Monterey Park is very informal and non traditional, but the people that train there do so very intensely and are learning very effective Wing Chun skills. Sifu Lam is concerned with only one thing, and that is his students know the material well enough to be able to use it effectively in the shortest amount of time (I found the people training there for more than 2 years had very effective Wing Chun fighting skills). Sifu Lam’s personality is very happy go lucky, he would be laughing one minute and the next throwing someone into the mattress trying to explain the concept of “Poi Pai”. I was free to ask him any question and he answered freely, irregardless of the fact that I was a beginner in his system and a stranger to his house. If you are eager to learn and willing to put the work in, Sifu Lam can guarantee high quality Wing Chun fighting skills for you.

The other main influence for me during my stay in Monterey Park was Ernie Barrios. If it wasn’t for Ernie I would not have even known of this place, so I owe him allot. This Man has not only earned my respect as a fellow human being, but as a Martial Artist as well. He has exceptionally high skills in Wing Chun, and a few other things when you push him far enough, (I know, lol)! Not only is this Man highly capable with his hands and feet, he is able to articulate his Martial philosophy very well, so that one is capable of understanding exactly what he wants to get across to you. Once in his presents, his charisma and love for Wing Chun and Martial Arts in general transcends to you and you become engulfed in an exchange of ideas and training methods that can at times last hours upon hours. I was also able to attend one of Ernie’s “Attributes” classes, and was happy that I did so, I had so much fun and learned a ton at the same time, plus it was a great workout, my legs and shoulders were feeling it the next day, lol. Ernie was also gracious enough to set me up with some of his training buds that also trained at Sifu Lam’s school. Emil (a machine, we trained chi sao for almost 2 hours straight), Anthony (newer to Sifu Lam’s system but trains very very hard and eager to learn more), Howard (longer term student with great skills and understanding of Sifu Lam’s system), and others like Johnny & Sam (two small young guys with high quality skills), Dennis (very funny Man with years upon years of MA experience), all very gracious with their knowledge of Wing Chun and were more than willing and able to teach me many things regarding their understanding of Sifu Lam’s system. I owe them allot and I thank them now for their generosity. There were also the morning guys, Dic and Joey, both men helped me a tremendous amount and I also thank them for sharing.

On average I trained min. 4 hours each day, some days 7 hours of training was the result. So anyone training at the school is definitely getting their money’s worth, but I will say be the end of my trip my body was weak and if I was there longer a “day off” would have been required to recoup some strength back.

I had a great 9 days of training at Sifu Gary Lam’s place. I hope to go back soon to learn more and would recommend anyone that is willing to learn something worthwhile to do the same.

If anyone has any questions regarding my visit, please feel free to ask. I will not answer any questions regarding comparisons between my Wing Chun and what I learned from Sifu Lam, as my mindset was to “empty my cup” per say and present myself as a beginner to Sifu Lam. I will say that the two systems are different, but I was able to intellectually understand most everything that I was taught on a conceptual level, just that my body was not used to moving in the way they teach it to move.

Thank you Sifu Lam and Ernie for a wonderful experience. Friendships were developed and good times were had, and I only wish that it could have lasted longer.

James

P.S. There was also a fellow Canadian there, Frank, and we became roommates/friends when I decided to live on the premise. Although he was a beginner to the Martial Arts, I admire his willingness to try something different and his discipline to complete something he had started. When I arrived he was there for 2 months already, training 7 days a week, minimum 3 hours a day. When I left he has 4 more weeks to go. Keep it up Man, as this is something you will never regret doing..

mario bava
03-19-2006, 09:59 PM
Hello There Sihing

How are you doing? Hope all's well. Thanks very much for sharing your experiences with us, it sounded like you enjoyed yourself. I have watched a few of short clips of Sifu Lam and he seems a very skillful man. I have also heard that Sifu Lam is very powerful and maybe you wouldn't mind sharing some info on that if that's ok with you.

Cheerio, Gary

www.hungfayiireland.com

sihing
03-19-2006, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by mario bava
Hello There Sihing

How are you doing? Hope all's well. Thanks very much for sharing your experiences with us, it sounded like you enjoyed yourself. I have watched a few of short clips of Sifu Lam and he seems a very skillful man. I have also heard that Sifu Lam is very powerful and maybe you wouldn't mind sharing some info on that if that's ok with you.

Cheerio, Gary

www.hungfayiireland.com

Hi Gary,

Yeah, I had a truly great experience there in Monterey Park, similar to the experience you had with GM Gee in San fran, just not as long.

Sifu Lam is very powerful, when he needs to be. He is also has fast hands and quick reflexes/sensitivity. His basic philosophy is to use it only when needed, so at times he can look a little lazy in his video clips or DVD's, but this aligns itself with the concept of economy of motion. In essence the man lives and breathes the art and no longer has to worry about sitting in his stance or maintaining a proper structure in his Man/Wu sau, like the rest of us. The coolest part was that his students (to a lesser degree for most) could duplicate what he was demonstrating, and had a thorough understanding of the concepts behind it.

James

Ernie
03-20-2006, 09:46 AM
James
whats up buddy ! you have been a busy boy ,,,,=)
hey good news , my papers came in i'll be getting sworn in next month !!!!!
now i might get the chance to visit Canada and you can show me around your neck of the woods !

I'll rap with you more later , work calls
E.

sihing
03-20-2006, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Ernie
James
whats up buddy ! you have been a busy boy ,,,,=)
hey good news , my papers came in i'll be getting sworn in next month !!!!!
now i might get the chance to visit Canada and you can show me around your neck of the woods !

I'll rap with you more later , work calls
E.

glad to hear that it happened for you Man...Yeah it would be cool if that were to happen, I have a few people here that are eager to meet you now, they need to experience it too.....

James

Ernie
03-20-2006, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by sihing
glad to hear that it happened for you Man...Yeah it would be cool if that were to happen, I have a few people here that are eager to meet you now, they need to experience it too.....

James

Cool ! i'm excited [finally be able to travel again ]
Keep me posted on your training and how things come together
if you hit any walls or have idea's you want to pass this way brother i'm all ears =)

who knows maybe one day i'll get to thunder bay [and i can wear the shirt you hooked me up ! =) ] thanks for that again , my chick liked the colors and wanted to take , i said nope it's a gift =)

Peace E.

sihing
03-20-2006, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Ernie
Cool ! i'm excited [finally be able to travel again ]
Keep me posted on your training and how things come together
if you hit any walls or have idea's you want to pass this way brother i'm all ears =)

who knows maybe one day i'll get to thunder bay [and i can wear the shirt you hooked me up ! =) ] thanks for that again , my chick liked the colors and wanted to take , i said nope it's a gift =)

Peace E.

There's a class tonight, so I can talk to some of the boys then. I'm sure I will have some questions forth coming, just have to get the wheel turning....

Well if you do make your way up here, it would be a better time during the summer months, at least then it will sort of feel like home for you with everything being green, and the hotter temps (it does get hot in Canada and it's more humid here in T Bay than in LA) lol. Glad to hear you like the t-shirt, wear it well my friend......

James

duende
03-20-2006, 12:04 PM
James,

Congradulations on your trip. I think it's wonderful that you were able to travel to Monterey Park and train with Sifu Lam for 9 days! I think that quality interaction like this between different WC branches is essential to true understanding and appreciation of each other's WC arts.

Maybe next time you could stop by SF (if you visit again) on your way coming or going. Heck.... bring Ernie or anyone else that would like to tag along. :)


Getting back to your post though, you tell us that the reasons why you had to go were not important, but that you had to go for yourself.

On the contrary, this to me sounds very important. Because, despite all the political nonsense regarding modified vs. traditional, it appears that you have found a new moment of truth in your visit to SoCal. From here on, nothing will ever be the same for you.

It's interesting how TWC, based on your perceptions at the time, was for all means and purposes the truth in your MA experience. However, now you've found a whole other world of experience, and with that experience a whole new set of MA understandings and truths.

Btw.... It's all relative. One moment of truth doesn't necessarilly negate the other.

So what's next?? What will be the next moment of truth for you?? In the past it has been more common for "modified" WC practitioners to move on to "Traditional" WC. Are you going to go against this trend???

Just kidding with you there!

My point here is that techniques and stylistic differences are just "moments" of truth.

For instance, Hok Bong vs. Ying Bong... You probably learned how Hok Bong ( a no no in TWC) has it's place in combat and is actually a very useful penetrating tool.

Or.... maybe you learned that centerline facing and engagement (what we refer to as Duei Ying) also has it's place in combat. And at times, can be a more appropriate use of energy than taking the blindside.

For me... I've learned that there are many many moments of truth. Layers upon layers. It can get frustrating as sometimes these truths may appear to contradict eachother.

But I can accept them as truths because I know based upon an awareness of Time Space and Energy, that circumstances are constantly changing.

What may be true for one instance is not true for the next. There is no single RIGHT WAY to do a technique. What there is however, is an awareness of how, when, and where a givien technique will work most efficiently.

One of my favorite sayings from my Sifu is...

Don't use a butter knife to cut a steak!

Regards,

Alex

Cang Long
03-21-2006, 12:12 AM
James,
Wow, where to start well it's a shame your timing was so poor that you will miss the HFY seminar in SF this weekend, just kidding. Sounds like you had a blast seeing how the other half lives. I will not answer any questions regarding comparisons between my Wing Chun and what I learned from Sifu Lam, as my mindset was to “empty my cup” per say and present myself as a beginner to Sifu Lam. I will say that the two systems are different, but I was able to intellectually understand most everything that I was taught on a conceptual level, just that my body was not used to moving in the way they teach it to move. It seems Alex was right when he said your post is not so much about comparisons as it is about acknowledging the varying differences and understanding them completely. That's the way it appears on a surface level anyway and your experience like Gary's is a model for those that have knowledge of one system or different systems and want to explore the exact particulars of things that may look the same but in practice are actually much different..... maybe you learned that centerline facing and engagement (what we refer to as Duei Ying) also has it's place in combat. And at times, can be a more appropriate use of energy than taking the blindside. That is a good point because that must have felt really strange to you with your TWC background. The details of that experience really interest those of us that do both.

Thanks for sharing your experience in the form of this write up looking forward to reading more as things start to settle in your mind.

Cang Long
04-04-2006, 01:49 PM
James,
What's been up why so quiet we all know you have more to say you always have something more to say j/k :) sending out an s-o-s for Sihing James to return to the kwoon immediately drop the tv remote and come out with your hands in jong sau.

sihing
04-04-2006, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Cang Long
James,
What's been up why so quiet we all know you have more to say you always have something more to say j/k :) sending out an s-o-s for Sihing James to return to the kwoon immediately drop the tv remote and come out with your hands in jong sau.

LOL..Well Tony, just been training allot and investigating things to keep the knowledge flowing. Plus since I've moved back home here, I felt it was time to find some meaningful employment, so it's been pretty busy for me since my trip to Monterey Park ended.

I really don't want to comment on anything else, because I'm still in a daze about things. My enthusiasm for Wing Chun is very high right now, since the trip for sure, as I feel more like a student now than before (well I am a student again since most all this stuff is new for me). I've concentrated mostly on absorbing what I had learned down there so that I can perform it physically without conscious thought, and also to bring some training partners up to speed, so that I have someone to play with, it's selfish sometimes yes, but they are benefiting from it also, and they all love the Sifu Gary Lam/WSL method (all of these guys are students of mine here in the small club we have, and have years of TWC training behind them).

James

P.S. Most of my TV watching is on the computer watching Sifu Gary's DVD's, I never get enough...

Cang Long
04-07-2006, 07:16 AM
P.S. Most of my TV watching is on the computer watching Sifu Gary's DVD's, I never get enough... Spoken like a true warrior. So James what's the biggest difference since TWC is coming from Yip Man and WSL method is coming from Yip Man but we know the 2 are different how large is the gap in your opinion?

Cang Long
04-11-2006, 11:57 AM
originally posted by sihing
Basically I've developed the condition I call "Detailitus" when it came to training with you guys, and since then researching, researching researching, constantly trying to learn and absorb more... It's working I think So has this brought any new questions of detail regarding HFY?

sihing
04-11-2006, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Cang Long
So has this brought any new questions of detail regarding HFY?

I can only do one thing at a time, lol...

If I've learned one thing from all of this, is that to always have a open mind and being curious about things is good. One day I will be eager again to look more into HFY WC, at the very least see it for myself...

James

mario bava
04-12-2006, 02:33 PM
Hello Sihing

Hope all's well with yourself. I have read your thread and it shows how you are open minded in your approach to Wing Chun, a rare man! Whatever you decide to do in the future, good luck. I hope some day you get the chance to visit the San Francisco Kwoon, as I would love to hear your points of view as now you have a lot of experience to draw from. Good luck James and it is very important that you learn to let go.....of the tv remote

Cheerio, Gary

www.hungfayiireland.com

sihing
04-12-2006, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by mario bava
Hello Sihing

Hope all's well with yourself. I have read your thread and it shows how you are open minded in your approach to Wing Chun, a rare man! Whatever you decide to do in the future, good luck. I hope some day you get the chance to visit the San Francisco Kwoon, as I would love to hear your points of view as now you have a lot of experience to draw from. Good luck James and it is very important that you learn to let go.....of the tv remote

Cheerio, Gary

www.hungfayiireland.com

more like computer mouse lately, lol.

All is well, and it would be cool to visit San Fran one of these days, but one thing at a time I think.

If I was only a millionaire.....:cool:

James

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04-24-2006, 02:57 PM
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