Space Time and Energy

[Emptiness]

It is within this matrix of time that a practitioner lives and performs all of his actions. The matrix of time is the here and now of his existence.

Time is relative to space in this concept, for without space there could be no element in which to employ time. In combat, space is the precursor of time. It provides the area or volume within which time is used for combat engagement.

Within space, energy is expended to propel the execution of techniques. This energy, or life force, comes from within the combatant and is called Qi in Mandarin or Hei. It is most important to recognize that energy employment must be properly harmonized with space and time.

Saam Mo Kiu

The ability to explain these complex concepts in motion with a single technique, the tan sau, gave Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun’s founder, Cheung Ng, his nickname, Taan Sau Ng.

Could someone put this together for me in relation to the last sentence..."complex concepts in motion with a single technique" the tan sau...? pg. 73 MKF

And how does the matrix relate to Saam Mo Kiu? Does Saam Mo Kiu divide up the matrix?

Eric

[JamesHFYofAZ]

Sisuk Eric,
I always look at saam mo kiu as three differant levels of learning, the progression that we all natrually follow. I thing that TS&E can also be seen through at least one other differant eyes since fau kiu is a wandering stage. As for Taun sau, This to can be seen through many eyes/applications as well. This probably didn't help! Having the level of Focus (WK) in mind, to use one tool and have it work every single time is maximum control of TS&E at its best. You use it in the right space, at the right time, and using the least amount of energy. To be able to see that space and ocupy it is HFYWCK. Is that any better?

[Emptiness]

Sifu JamesHFYofAZ I hope I gave you the right title

Saam mo kiu as used in Wing Chun refers to three specific time frames. A properly trained Wing Chun fighter employs Saam Mo Kiu to identify his opponent’s knowledge of time and space, and from that to determine which strategies and tactics to employ to ensure the enemy’s self-destruction. The Saam Mo Kiu is used in conjunction with the Wing Chun Formula and is supported by its principles and concepts. Together they enable the Wing Chun fighter to completely understand both his and his opponent’s strengths and weaknesses within the space and time of the confrontation. Saam Mo Kiu as a Wing Chun concept posits that there are only three types of bridges between opponents, employing ”time frame” as the guide to which bridge is in play. pg 54 MKF

I think I understand about the process of learning with Saam Mo Kiu, but this seems to suggest that it part of the ”time frame” of a confrontation. Thous part of the matrix or am I way off base here, or is there no relations at all, or are they both learning and time frame. And so what you or saying Tan Sau is after you understand all of the above its the same sort of thing expt your using a specific tool at the right TS&E.:)

[Steve]

I would say that the Sah Mouh Kiu concept refers to two things. First and foremost, it is used to relate and espress levels of intelligence/awareness. One is Fau Kiu when beginning to learn something new, for instance, learning a foreign language. One is San Kiu when s/he becomes more and more aware of what is going on in this new subject, the student can use the language at will, making it work for him/her. At the Weng Kiu stage the student is completely in harmony with what s/he has been studying, becoming fluent in the foreign language. However, most people simply live in the state of awareness, never maintaining complete focus.

In combat, Sah Mouh Kiu can refer to many things. Where you are in visual relations to an opponent (peripheral of straight on facing). In referring to T, S, E, if can break down the stages of learning it from Wandering about the harmony of these three elements to becoming Aware of them to being able to Focus and use them without thinking about it. So far as correlating the Sah Mouh Kiu with the understanding of Cheung Ng's Taan Sau, maybe this will help some.

To begin to control Time and Energy, you must first control space. Cheung Ng probably used the Taan Sau to illustrate this control of space in the heaven gate for its simplicity. Striking point on High reference, elbow on yin line, mun jong rage to control the space. Once spatial awareness and control is established, one can begin to talk about timing. Within the two line of defense, when one's mung jong is accessible to an opponent, your kiu jong is able to strike him. This understanding of timing is naturally due to spatial awareness. You must also be in a superior position so that your opponent is not able to retaliate, so body unity must be applied to the technique to gain such positioning. A Taan Sau is not merely an arm traveling in space, but rather the whole body in moving in concert. The arm is the focus to an outsider, but for an inside the body unity is simply occupying that space and time. Once these two elements are under control, the energy needed to control the situation comes on line. Remember that the Jong Sau leads to the Taan Sau, so energy sensitivity is first needed to occupy your space, then the energy will guide you to act in accordance to your time and space. "No Mind."

Humbly,


Steve

[Emptiness]

Thanks Steve and James your answers to my questions where very helpful.

Steve I had to read you post several times and go back and forth to the book especially when it came to the last paragraph. I haven't really studied about Jong Sau yet, but I think I understand.

Thanks again
Eric:)

[JamesHFYofAZ]

Emptiness,
I am a sifu by no means, just a fellow practitioner, but thank you. To help you with three awareness bridges such as mind, body, and spirit. Look at this for a second. If I am Doy ying faced with an opponent from a BM alignment, he constantly throws a punch with proper triangular theory, I first learn to intercept with structured hands (jong sau). OK got that! I intercepted at the same time in the same space each time we touched, but it still feels like some thing is missing. Second look- looking at energies on the bridge we see that I was not meeting him in the RIGHT T&S because my energies are week or some times to strong. OK got it! Third look- Energies are good, their is still some thing wrong with the bridge, it just doesn't feel the same every time. It should feel less effortless. looking at angles of attack, this guy was trying to give me a greater challenge but in fact changed lines on me, causing me to change structures. This is when taun sau or bong sau come to play.
I consider this all three levels, mind- i thought about what was happening and tried to correct it. Body- I felt what was most efficient or less efficient and used that to enhance the body, intern giving the mind more. This hole time maintaining the spirit within.
All in all I traveled through levels of awareness, regardless of the exercise or focus, I saw time, space and energy working together to form a moment within reality. I brought my self through fau kiu saan kiu and weng kiu first in the mind then in the body. The mind knows, drill the body to understand.
Just some more thoughts on things!

[Steve]

Eric,

The Jong Sau is the first form of feedback you get from an energetics perspective. Your six gates serve as spatial radars, your Jong Sau serves as an energy radar. If your jong successfully intercepts an atack, it should connect directly to the opponent's center with little or no need to flow into another technique as the jong will strike the opponent for you. If the attack challenges your jong, then you need to flow into another technique in order to fill the space, such as Taan Sau. In this way , the jong provides the intelligence for your body to follow.

The jong sau also allow us to make better use of our time by providing coverage of our space from the beginning. If begin with a Taan Sau, there lies the possibility of being hit due to poor timing and missing the attack. This thinking trains us to chase our space, not our opponent's hands, thus helping to lower the chances of eating an attack.


Steve

[JamesHFYofAZ]

Steve you should start a thread on jong sau?
Emptiness- As for TS&E something that we spoke of about 6 mounths ago was, click thiswas (http://www.hfy108.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=174) That opinion is now slightly differant then now. but again these are just views. Thanks