Ban Chung Opera Wing Chun

[Firehawk]

There were some more Wing Choon styles once developed in Malaysia .What a coincidence these Malaysian Wing Choon styles also developed in Pon Yu or ( Pan Yu in Mandarin ).It is not suprised if we know that there is a Poon Yu Wui Koon or Association of the Natives of Poon Yu in Malaysia, and the members there are all natives of Poon Yu. Therefore, once they wanted to open kung fu clases, the kung fu instructors were all from Poon Yu. This Wing Choon style in Penang was passed down by the late Grandmaster Sam Chan . Sam Chan was a student of Sifu Cho Shun . Cho Shun , nicknamed Dai-Ngan Shun , was the most outstanding student of So Kai Ming in the opera . Cho Shun was a famous kung fu actor in the Cantonese Opera . Same as his sifu , when Cho Shun retired ,he soon became a kung fu instructor teaching in the Luen Yee Koon or the Luen Yee Martial Arts School of Poon Yu. When Sam Chan moved to Malaysia , he lived in Ipoh and worked there . Sifu Sam Chan only taught Wing Choon to no more than six students . Cheong Way Bo was one of them . Cheong Way Bo lived in Penang . Since young , he learnt kung fu from uncle Cheong Hing , a great kung fu master in Malaysia. Later, he was recommended by his uncle to learn Wing Choon kung fu with Sifu Sam Chan in Ipoh for six years . In 1972 , he returned to Penang and was already 27 years old. He started to develope Wing Choon in his city. As to differentiate his style from the Yip Kin Wing Choon style, he named his style Ban Chung Wing Choon or the Wing Choon style of the Opera Troupes . The Wing Choon styles of the late Sifu Sam Chan are quite different from that of the Yip Kin Wing Choon style in Malaysia , though both of them claimed their techniques originated from the late Grandmaster So Kai Ming of Poon Yu. Obviously, it was because the late Grandmaster Yip Kin adds in some sets of the other styles and Ban Chung Wing Choon do not . In the Ban Chung Wing Choon the learners have to begin with the Yee-gee-kim-yeung-ma or Character Two Abduction Stance , Sup-bo-yee-gee-ma or the Ten Step Character Two stance , Chi Bart-Dim Lin-Wan-Kiu or the 8-point Chain-movements in Chi-Sau . Then the students have to practice the Sup-Saam-Sau or Thirteen hand-technique training. The second stage of training includes the Siu-Nim-Tau, Saam-Sing Poon-Lung Chong or the Three Star Coiling Dragon Piles, Wan-Yuen Chum-Kiu or the Harmonious of Heaven & Earth Sinking -Arms set, Noi-Ying Biu-Tze or the Internal style Thrusting Fingers set, Saam-Cha Chin-Cheung or the Three Side Arrow like Palms set , Fa-Kuen or Flowery Boxing set, Chat-Sing Kuen or Seven Star Boxing set .The third stage includes Saam-Jeet Lok-Ying Kuen or the Three -Sectional Lower-Flying-Eagle set, Luk-Dim-poon-Kwun- or the six & a half Point Long Pole with Thirteen Spear -Techniques , Luk-Dim-Poon-Kwun-Fat or the six & a half Point Long Pole Techniques and Yan-Gee-Bart-Cham-Dao or the Character Eight-Cutting-Section Broadsword Techniques . Another Wing Choon school in Penang was run by Sifu Cho Hung Choy . The Wing Choon Kung Fu techniques he learnt are also said to be originated from Poon Yu . However, I have not too much information about this style in hand .

[Cang Long]

Firehawk,
Just curious if you have any knowledge of the Triads of Malaysia?

[Firehawk]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Triads+of+Malaysia&btnG=Google+Search

[Firehawk]

The information for Ban Chung Wing Chun comes from the book Roots and Branches of Wing Tsun.

[Cang Long]

The authors name?

[Firehawk]

The author s name is Leung Ting .

[Geezer]

Finally a place we can come to and not have to worry about having every word analized, ;)

Cang Long Wrote>
Just curious if you have any knowledge of the Triads of Malaysia?

From what I've read on the Triads of Malaya/Malaysia it seems they weren't politically charged with overthrowing the Qing and restoring the Ming. The Ghee Hin(Hung) Society was established in 1820 and is believed to be the oldest Chinese secret society in Singapore.
I tried to establish if the WCK that came out of Singapore was also affected by this, so the affect was that they didn't focus so much on it's history.??

Sheldon

http://www.nhb.gov.sg/SHM/Exhibitions/past_huang_gate.htm

[Firehawk]

I did not know you lived in Xenia, Ohio, I live in Moraine City Dayton, Ohio , .

[Cang Long]

Small world and the kung fu world is even smaller Firehawk sounds like you have a wealth of people to discuss HFY with good luck.

[Geezer]

Firehawk Wrote>
I did not know you lived in Xenia, Ohio, I live in Moraine City Dayton, Ohio , .

Yeah I live in the secong windy city after Chicago:D, so you're pretty close to the GM planrt then, I've only been down to those neck of the woods a few times;).

I started out in Richmond, In and ended up here, my little Brother still lives over there(Richmond) though.

Sheldon

[Cang Long]

Firehawk, Geezer and others

Please lets continue...

[Firehawk]

I would like to know more about the other Hung Suen lineages , like , Master Yueng Fooks Opera Hung Suen Wing Chun and Leung Kwok Kuengs Opera Hung Suen Wing Chun . But I only have one more lead to check out on Yueng Fooks Opera Hung Suen Wing Chun .

[Cang Long]

Care to share who, what or where that lead might be firehawk?

[Cang Long]

Care to share who, what or where that lead might be firehawk?

[Firehawk]

This is my last lead on the trail of trying to find Yueng Fooks Hung Suen Ha Bann Wing Chun , this school is in Seattle Washington and they are of the Lineage of Yueng fook , some of them teach his Wing Chun . I never got around to emailing them here is there website
http://www.blackbelts.us/nwmaf/index.cfm?page=20
Some pictures of Yueng Fook
http://www.jkd.com.hk/Eng/Photo_Gallery/Photo_Yeung.htm
http://www.wuji.com/cedar/
David Harris also teaches Yueng Fooks Wing Chun in Seattle and one other person whos name I cant remember , The link to the first link the guys at that school are certified to teach Yueng Fooks Wing Chun I believe that they learned through sifu David Harris who is a student of Yueng Fook s .

[Cang Long]

What do you know of the term Hung Suen style.

[Firehawk]

I dont think the word style means anything what I mean is system ,Hung Suen Wing Chun system is better but I think Hung Suen Ha Ban is the name used by Yueng Fooks Wing Chun system , as far as I know Hung Suen means Wing Chun of the Red Boat Opera .

[Cang Long]

Hello Firehawk,

yes firehawk I can agree with the better term system. So do you think it is correct to say that when using the term hung suen system a person could be refering to one of the many systems that trace their origin back to the red boat era meaning that a generic term for many systems to come out of the red boat opera era would be considered hung suen or local slang for grouping many systems under one umbrella.

[Firehawk]

Since most Wing Chun comes from the Red Boats i would say that they all could call them selves Hung Suen Wing Chun if they wanted to but most of Wing Chun dont I only know of 2 systems or arts that have been called Hung Suen Yueng Fooks Ha Ban Wing Chun and Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun was called Hung Suen Wing Chun to the public , from what I unerstand Hung Fa Yi was the real name for Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun and only certain people knew its real name the public called Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Hung Suen Wing Chun . That is what I have herd .

[Cang Long]

Hello firehawk,

Good point Firehawk,
if someone were to say they were in China and asking people if they heard of or know of Hung Fa Yi wing chun the reply might often be no but if the same person were asked if they heard of Hung suen kung fu that same person might be more likely to answer yes, because you are right we were told the public name for hung fa yi was hung suen kung fu. So asking if people know of hung suen kung fu is a better way of phrasing the question in search of people having heard of HFY/hung suen.