Hei Gung in SNT

[Eric]

Howdy,

I've been thinking a lot lately about how the hei gung of SNT is suppossed to work, being as I have not done it yet. From what I'm to understand, it's suppossed to be done where the first tan sao takes about 45 minutes from opening to full extension of the technique.

Out of those of you who have tried this, do you find it to be an effective hei gung exercise?

Strictly looking at it from the viewpoint of someone who *has not* tried it before, it seems almost like a last-minute add on to the form to me. And I do not see how it could be as effective for developing hei as much as say, tai chi's health postures, because tai chi has you doing several different types of movements as oppossed to just one tan sao. Can anyone compare and contrast for me?

Perhaps if I understood the history behind why it's in the form, that might help to change my view as well, does anyone have info on that?


Just looking for an understanding...

[Armin]

Hi!

@ vkays1:

I didn't try this exercise, too. But there's another "exercise" in the Siu Nim Tao. Try do do the 3rd set as slow as possible - that's the way Wong Shun Leung taught it to his students. But, as far as iwas told, it has nothing to do with hei gung. It's about "Dim Dim Ching", that means something like "point for point clear" or better "point for point (of the movement) is understood".

The movements of the 3rd set follow a line and a line is built by a lot of points. By not following the line, but the points, you build a deeper understanding of the movements (the way, the ellbow is held, the forward-pressure, the angle of wrist and ellbow, and so on).


Greetings,

Armin.

[Cang Long]

Armin,
The deeper training of hei gung is something I am still just now learning how to cultivate. The "Dim Dim Ching" you speak of is somewhat similar to the HFY study and concept of Sup Dim Ming (ten bright points) though which indeed assist the practitioner in focusing on body structure and positioning yet it is in the opening or first section of SLT. By not following the line, but the points, you build a deeper understanding of the movements (the way, the ellbow is held, the forward-pressure, the angle of wrist and ellbow, and so on). agreed.

[Eric]

Armin,

I'll need more info on this, I'm sure poking about the 'net will give me some results. However, thank you for sharing, I have not heard of this type of focus in SNT's third section and will add it to my list of things to try!


Tony,
I'm not far enough in my HFY to have knowledge of the 10 bright points, could you pm me or post here on how you think these two focuses are similar?

[Armin]

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Armin.

[JamesHFYofAZ]

SLT- done slowly was to build an awareness/connection of the body and mind. No energies should be exerted, yet the hand still moves into position. This was one of the understandings that I gathered when doing the YM SNT. The first section should take at least twenty to thirty minutes to complete. I don't ever remember it being a prime focus in our school but it was mentions a few times with the instructions of it being a good homework assignment. Although never referred to as chi gung/hei gung, it was a form of breathing & body meditation.