Chan Wah Shun Vs Wong Fei Hung

[Cang Long]

hello Wengshunkuen,

It is just an approximation of what the name sounded like to a Dutch-speaking person. GM Bul says it didn't matter much at the time. He called his teacher 'Sifu' anyway(-;

Did your sifu travel to China or did he study with his Sifu in the Netherlands?

[wengshunkuen]

Originally posted by Cang Long
hello Wengshunkuen,
Did your sifu travel to China or did he study with his Sifu in the Netherlands?

Hi Cang Long,

GGM Lin Yi was from Guandong, but taught GM Bul at his home in the Netherlands since he was seven or eight. GM Bul is 38 now.

Respect,

[Hungman]

Originally posted by wengshunkuen
Dear Hungman,

Like I said previously, I am a sucker for stories like yours. I have always liked the one below. It is not meant to put anyone down. It is just a ascinating read that I didn't want you to miss out on. Hope you enjoy it!

Your friend,
WengShunKuen


'Chow Gar Mantis vs Wing Chun' (Author unknown)

Wong Shun Leung Visits Ip Sui's Kwoon



Before I begin this story, I want to make it clear that this is in
no way intended to put Chow Gar Mantis up as superior to the Wing
Chun system, and no offence is intended to any Wing Chun player.
This is simply a legend related to me by my Sifu. This legend is, in
a way, a tribute to the late Wing Chun Master, best known as Bruce
Lee's Sifu in the early years. I say tribute because it depicts Sifu
Leung in a situation where he found himself often. And on a personal
note, my first ever Sifu, who taught me Wing Chun Chuan, trained
under Sifu Wong Shun Leung in Australia for some time, so I suppose
in a way he was my first SiGong.

Everyone who knows anything about Sifu Wong Shun Leung knows that he
loved to fight. It was this fact that first brought him to the
school of the late Wing Chun Grandmaster, Yip Man. On crossing hands
with Yip Man, he very quickly realised that he was no match for the
Grandmaster, and asked if he would take him as his student. It would
appear that this 'fighting spirit' never really dwindled as Wong
Shun Leung progressed in his training, as one day, he appeared at
the school of Grandmaster Ip Sui...

He had come to cross hands with the Grandmaster, which is probably
bordering on the disrespectful. Even so, you have to admire his
spirit. Grandmaster Ip Sui, who was teaching a class at the time,
turned down the request, but suggested a contest between the curious
student, and one of his own students, Mr Choy Su Wing.

The Southern Mantis system is ideal for those with a long, slender
physique, just like the characteristics of the mantis itself. It
also places great emphasis on internal training's, to generate
strength and power. Choy Su Wing is tall, but very powerful. Both
students faced off, and Wong Shun Leung charged in.

In the blink of an eye, Mr Choy used the powerful 'Cum La' seizing
hand technique, grabbing Wong Shun by the throat and the arm. From
many years of training the Mantis Clawing technique his hands and
arms were as solid as iron bars. Try as he might, and the story goes
that he put up a hell of a fight, Wong Shun was unable to remove
them. Mr Choy's arms were too long to enable Wong Shun to put a kick
in - Mr Choy walked him into the corner by his throat, and held him
there. At once, he released his arm and raised his hand to drop the
devastating Gow Choi (Tiger comes down the mountain) hammer hand
technique upon his head.

Gow choi is an extremely serious technique to use - Grandmaster Ip
Sui, who had been watching this turn of events closely, moved
quickly to Mr Choy's side, and as he brought his hand crashing down
towards Wong Shun's head, Grandmaster slapped his arm across, so the
technique missed the target.

Grandmaster broke up the session, telling Wong Shun Leung that he
had seen what he had come to see, and that he should leave. Wong
Shun Leung was quite lucky that day.

As an endnote, Grandmaster Ip Sui travelled to the school of Yip
Man, to ask him why he had sent his student to his school to make
trouble. Yip Man said that he had no involvement in this. Wong Shun
Leung had made the decision to go to Ip Sui's school of his own
accord...

Wong Shun Leung will always be remembered as a spirited fighter, and
someone who believed in the merits of the Challenge Match. Not so
much today, where, too often, Kung Fu is a game, a hobby, something
to do in our spare time. We could all learn something from Sifu
Leung. Kung Fu is also about having heart and the guts to put
yourself on the spot.

Today, Sifu Choy Su Wing is in good health and living in Hong Kong,
aged 72.



Wong Shun Leung.... 1935-1997

Hello wengshunkuen
Good post! Wong Shun Leung will always be remembered as a spirited fighter I agree

Whether or not you ever have the opportuninty to use what you learn, ongoing education is always beneficial. You grow more interesting, educated, and confident--and better prepared for any opportunity that comes your way. Ten Tigers has been waiting for you.... that's not a joke


HM

Originally posted by TenTigers
some group tries to establish themsleves, and in order to establish credibility, they knock other styles. I seem to remember a certain Sifu who claimed that his version was the real deal, while all others were simply a watered down 'modified' method, or another claiming his iron palm was superior, and that others were from peasant styles.



At this point, as soon as one of these people surface with these kind of stories, it raises a red flag. It almost always means some kind of bulls***

http://www.hfy108.com/forums/newrepl...ly&postid=8133

[Andreas Hoffman]

Originally posted by Weng Shun Kuen
"According to early Chi Sim Weng Chun Kuen (from the period it was known as Chi Sim Ving Tsun, I believe) students they were taught a Yi Chi Kim Yeung Ma stance of the pigeon-toed variety, like the one that most Weng Shun Kuen/Wing Chun Kuen branches use."

Weng Chun´s family: GM Wai Yan, GM Chu Chung Man and GM Tang Yick never used a "pigeon toed" stance. In Weng Chun this stance was never teached inside the family. GM Cheng Kwong teached under the name Cheng Kwong Ving Tsun/Chi Sim Ving Tsun a public(mixed) version of weng chun and wing chun. He created his Siu Lim Tau, Yi Chi Kim Yeung Ma etc.
Since I became successor of GM Wai Yan I´m teaching only Weng Chun.